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Author Topic:   Fox news = false news
Dr Adequate
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Message 136 of 313 (616844)
05-24-2011 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by New Cat's Eye
05-24-2011 9:23 AM


Not really. The 22 was a firearm before, its just been jazzed up with decorations.
That's exactly why my analogy is better. Baking powder pimped to look like anthrax = a 22 pimped to look like a more dangerous weapon. Absent the pimping, both remain legal.
I'm sure there's a limit somewhere... my point is that it should be determined by people who actually know something about guns and not by people who know almost nothing about guns.
If the language of the AWB prohibits a pimped 22, I'm not sure that that indicates that it was drafted by people who knew nothing about guns. Maybe they just didn't care one way or another about pimped 22s. What you seem to be suggesting is that they actually thought that such absurd chimeras are more dangerous than an ordinary 22 and made law on that basis; but I doubt that that was the case.
Irrelevant.
I think it is relevant. If a ban on assault weapons also inadvertently bans something which no-one in their right minds wants or currently possesses, then the phrase "no harm, no foul" comes to mind.
Your apathy to a gradual errosion of your freedoms isn't an argument for pursuing it.
And when I trim my toenails, I am equally apathetic towards the gradual erosion of my feet.
It doesn't really matter if you personally care or not. But once again the discussion is going from 'who should decide which guns to ban' to 'why should guns be allowed'
I never mentioned the subject. My sole point was that when it comes to the question of who should decide, you are setting the bar of technical expertise too high. It is surely not necessary for the decision-makers to have the ability to recognize exactly how dangerous a gun is by means of a cursory visual inspection; just as the same applies to white powder.

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Message 137 of 313 (616868)
05-24-2011 7:40 PM


STAY ON-TOPIC OR ELSE
Anyone posting anything not directly connected to Fox News considerations is going to get banned from the "Coffee House" forum.
Starting now.
Adminnemooseus

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Message 138 of 313 (617108)
05-25-2011 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Coyote
05-20-2011 12:00 AM


Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
Liberals just can't get over the fact that they are not the sole purveyors of news any longer.
By the way, have you checked to see how many of the liberal news outlets George Soros is financing? Are you comfortable with that?
Maybe Fox is needed for a little balance after all these decades of leftie journalism, eh?
and
More leftie nonsense.
They (you?) just can't abide the thought of having any contrary opinions.
Sorry, those days are over. Get used to it.
Per a personal message, as I understand it, Coyote's been putting on a bit of an anti-liberal act. As I see it, this is a rule 8 violation.
quote:
Avoid any form of misrepresentation.
Regardless, his act is probably in violation of other rules.
Bottom line - I wish he would stop doing this little act, and may get cranky if he doesn't.
Or something like that.
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Coyote
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Message 139 of 313 (617115)
05-25-2011 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Adminnemooseus
05-25-2011 10:55 PM


Re: Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
My "anti-liberal" comments are not an act, and thus are not misrepresentation.
I am apparently a rare breed, a pro-science conservative/libertarian.
Perhaps your comments were directed more to my posts in the Free for All thread? What I posted there should be allowed, while what I posted here seems to be pretty tame to receive such a drastic response.
(And that's Dr. pseudo brain dead conservative to you, sir.)

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Taz
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Message 140 of 313 (617116)
05-25-2011 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Coyote
05-25-2011 11:31 PM


Re: Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
Coyote, I understand where you're coming from. I really do. There are many issues that I am very conservative on. Here are a few things that I am really really conservative on.
Pro life
Pro big military
Anti organic movement
Anti preservation laws
etc.
That said, the reason I lean so much to the left is because the right side doesn't make sense most of the time. History has shown over and over that in just about every topic we can imagine it's the more liberal side that always turned out to be right. Everything from slavery to women's rights to free speech to you name it ultimately society always eventually agree with the more liberal side.

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Message 141 of 313 (617249)
05-26-2011 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Coyote
05-25-2011 11:31 PM


Put up or shut up time
OK, so I fell victim to the conservative politics variation of Poe's Law.
Perhaps your comments were directed more to my posts in the Free for All thread? What I posted there should be allowed, while what I posted here seems to be pretty tame to receive such a drastic response.
When I first did my comment at the FFA topic, I mistakenly thought it was a Coffee House topic, which it should have been.
Bottom line - It's time for you to reply to at least some of the replys to your upthread messages. Defend the real merits of Fox News.
Or you may wish to go to the The "Liberal" Media topic, and supply some real criticism content, of said media.
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Message 142 of 313 (620795)
06-20-2011 10:11 PM


Video: Jon Stewart vs. Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday
This belongs in both the "Fox news = false news" and "The "Liberal" Media" topics. Maybe I'll do both, but I'll start here. Maybe someone else can post it at the other topic, and keep me from being a spammer.
Found at: Video: Jon Stewart vs. Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday - Little Green Footballs
I don't know how to embed the video here, so go there to see it. About 24 minutes, and IMO well worth watching.
Moose (aka "control panel bug")
Edited by Minnemooseus, : The instant after I hit "Submit", I thought, "I should include a link to the "The "Liberal" Media" topic".

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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ZenMonkey
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Message 143 of 313 (620796)
06-20-2011 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Coyote
05-25-2011 11:31 PM


Re: Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
Coyote writes:
My "anti-liberal" comments are not an act, and thus are not misrepresentation.
Well, then. If the conversation about ATVs, anthrax and .22s is over - Allah be praised - then perhaps you could go back to Message 1, Message 3, Message 109, and Message 135, and give us some sort explanation of Fox News's documented on-air lies.

Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

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Coyote
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Message 144 of 313 (620797)
06-20-2011 11:55 PM
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06-20-2011 11:49 PM


Re: Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
Or maybe not.
But if you want to start comparing Fox to the lame stream media let me know.
We can start with Walter Crankcase and Dan Blather.
I'd much prefer to keep this site restricted to evolution vs. creation, but you libs just can't seem to do that, can you?

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anglagard
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Message 145 of 313 (620805)
06-21-2011 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coyote
06-20-2011 11:55 PM


Coyote a Hopi Trickster Deity?
Coyote writes:
I'd much prefer to keep this site restricted to evolution vs. creation, but you libs just can't seem to do that, can you?
By libs, are you including libertarians?
While I have some sympathy with your position concerning limiting the debate to evolution vs creationism, discussions concerning religion and politics will inevitably leak out, and personally I find them quite informative.
However, despite your brilliance in arguing for reality, particularly concerning archaeology, I am puzzled as to why you choose to respond to political arguments when you yourself find such discussions off-topic.
Also, should you choose to continue to argue political topics, I for one would be very interested to discover what you are for in contrast as to what you are against.
Edited by anglagard, : thought I was removing a double 'to' but the zeitgeist beat me to it.
Edited by anglagard, : Never mind, ghost busted.

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This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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jar
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Message 146 of 313 (620823)
06-21-2011 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coyote
06-20-2011 11:55 PM


Re: Coyote apparently a pseudo brain dead conservative
Lamestream?
Walter Crankcase?
Dan Blather?
You use terms like that in public and still expect anyone to admit you into adult company?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 147 of 313 (620958)
06-21-2011 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Minnemooseus
06-20-2011 10:11 PM


Re: Video: Jon Stewart vs. Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday
Bare link.
Shame.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
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Real things always push back.
-William James

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Coyote
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Message 148 of 313 (621036)
06-22-2011 11:52 PM


Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane, like the Drudge Report and Fox News Channel, look far more conservative than they really are, according to a UCLA professor's new book out next month.
In a crushing body blow to the pushers of the so-called "Fox Effect," which claims the conservative media is dragging the left into the center, UCLA political science professor Tim Groseclose in Left Turn claims that "all" mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream and decidedly right-wing to news consumers who are influenced by the slant.
"Fox News is clearly more conservative than ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and National Public Radio. Some will conclude that 'therefore, this means that Fox News has a conservative bias,'" he writes in an advance copy provided to Washington Whispers. "Instead, maybe it is centrist, and possibly even left-leaning, while all the others are far left. It's like concluding that six-three is short just because it is short compared to professional basketball players."
[snip]

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Message 149 of 313 (621037)
06-23-2011 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Coyote
06-22-2011 11:52 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
Bias, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. A left-wingnut will see Obama as centrist to right leaning. A right-wingut will see him as leftist. 250 years ago, the idea of universal suffrage was extremely leftist, now it's only the looniest righties who oppose it.
By the way, do you have anything to say about the topic of this thread, namely that Fox news lies? Does the book you mention discuss Fox news lies?
Surely you condemn lies, even (or perhaps especially) when used to prop up an ideology that you agree with.
Edited by subbie, : Forgot to check signature box deal.

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Coyote
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Message 150 of 313 (621038)
06-23-2011 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by subbie
06-23-2011 12:04 AM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
Surely you condemn lies, even (or perhaps especially) when used to prop up an ideology that you agree with.
More so than liberals are willing to condemn their liberal lies.
(Can we get back to creation vs. evolution now?)

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