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Author Topic:   Opening the doors to creationism in British Schools?
Robert Byers
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Message 49 of 129 (620968)
06-22-2011 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Modulous
06-17-2011 6:18 PM


Well you just repeat you have concluded creationism is wrong and someone must safeguard truth so it should be you.
Not the people through their legislature.
Creationism is censored by law. The people are fine with it by a good majority.
Censoring ideas is just censoring ideas by some boss.
by your standard we could censor evolutionism just because of some gain of power.
Again. There is no difference between our ability to deal with and replace evolutionism.
There is no difference in quality or quantity of evidence.
Ones opponents to do not have veto power over ones credibility on ideas.
Its just impossible to censor creationism based on its historic and common acceptance for some ideas in origin subjects.
Its immoral and illegal and dumb.
You can invoke the word experts all you want and its just still another way to censor criticisms that are well established, well received, and famous.
In fact many would say God and the bible are the experts.
Who says its the right of the state to say otherwise?
Its just truth oppression.

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Robert Byers
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Message 53 of 129 (621135)
06-24-2011 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by bluescat48
06-22-2011 7:48 AM


Your wrong.
Creationism is banned in schools. A famous subject. they invoke the law and about church/state.
As of now the legislature can not put creationism in subjects where origins are discussed.

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Robert Byers
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Message 54 of 129 (621136)
06-24-2011 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Modulous
06-22-2011 9:06 AM


You don't like my answers. What you said is what you said.
I am thinking more about the censorship of creationism in American institutions based on the church/state issue thing.
If creationism can be taught in brit schools in the classes that deal with origins then great.
The people should decide, by the legislature, these matters if there is prohibition or just not both sides.
Yes. If the majority said creationism should not be taught then it shouldn't.
Unless theres some great law demanding all sides.
I bet there ain't.
Your still trying to ban creationism because you or your side has decided its not true.
This is what you keep saying.
Otherwise let the people decide.
Not a few elites at the top.
Why are you afraid of competition in subjects that are only barely able to introduce these subjects to the kids?
Freedom of thought is a better trail to truth then censoring ones opponents.
What other subjects are banned?
Why just the most famous, historical, and popular one that touches on contention.
HMMM.

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Robert Byers
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Message 59 of 129 (621688)
06-28-2011 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Modulous
06-24-2011 6:31 AM


Creationism in subjects dealing with conclusions about origins is banned indeed.
You keep saying misconceptions of the public.
its YOUR opinion they are misconceptions.
Again either the people decide of a smaller number of people decide what is true or not true or as you would put it WHAT is accurately conceived and what is misconceived.

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Robert Byers
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Message 66 of 129 (623069)
07-08-2011 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Modulous
06-28-2011 9:30 AM


Your just saying and saying those you agree with should teach whats true about origins.
The people don;t agree and simply want both sides taught.
We are saying there is a contention that is worthy of both sides.
you say no it isn't. thats your opinion. The peoples conclusion is that origin subjects are not settled or wrong. Likewise there is Christian foundation to criticisms.
Many or enough would say the misconceptions are the evolutionists side.
There is a contention and right now one side is banned in saying its opinion is founded on quality research and its opponents are not or are wrong anyways.
Thats the equation here.
Censorship of creationism where conclusions are taught is going on in Britain.
Creationism says the merits of evidence of nature support us and don't support them.
To censor this in subjects where serious conclusions are taught is to say creationism is wrong by act of authority.
No way around it.
If the people can not decide on whether origin subjects are free or censored or if the society will not have freedom then its not a free nation of free enquiry.
Its a tyranny of opinion.
Where is my logic wrong?

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Robert Byers
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Message 67 of 129 (623071)
07-08-2011 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by frako
06-30-2011 6:01 PM


First there is no such thing as science. its just a word to describe conclusions from people thinking about complicated things relative to that time.
Thats why in the past science covered every skill.
I see no important different in thinking and drawing conclusions in any human matter of importance.
However the best that can be said IS that science is a species of thinking.
THAT is it is a high standard of investigation, as opposed to a ordinary standard which are pretty good, and so a high confidence in its conclusions.
Origin issues are not of this high standard. I have read many admit this in certain matters at least.
In fact origin issues being about past and gone events and processes are impossible to have such a high standard.
RThats why they are wrong and so easily criticized or doubted by anyone or everyone.
Not proved.
In fact it should be first the evolution side that demonstrates your list of steps to justify the confidence in the conclusions.
Repeat away.

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Robert Byers
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Message 71 of 129 (623741)
07-13-2011 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Modulous
07-08-2011 1:26 PM


I have been serious and fair.
you tell me you didn't say you just want who and what you want taught and then AGAIN you say you want the EXPERTS to decide(only) whats taught in schools.
Yes you are saying you want who you want to do the teaching and thats it.
i'll leave it to the jury.
likewise with the censorship point.
In north america creationism is censored by state law and governments in public schools etc where conclusions on origins from intellectual investigation is taught .
In short in what they call science class.
Creationism is banned good . Censorship maximus.
I understand its the same thing in Brit schools. hOwever if you say that creationism is taught as a option for truth in all the details of the different subjects in origins IN school classes dealing with origin subjects seriously.
Then great.
Yet I understood censorship is order of the day.
HMMMM.

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Robert Byers
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From: Toronto,canada
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Message 73 of 129 (623969)
07-15-2011 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Modulous
07-13-2011 8:41 AM


Nope. its fine to teach the truth.
anyways the teacher should present both sides.
They can give their personal opinion but not a state opinion of who is right.
Why such passion to stop the most famous disagreement?
All the subjects in mankind can be taught save this one.
it must be more then about origins.

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