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Jeff
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Message 11 of 196 (6214)
03-06-2002 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by John Paul
03-06-2002 5:44 PM


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maybe some enlightened one (the all-faithful creationist) could tell us how many species were on the ark, and explain their reasoning...
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John Paul:
You do realize there is a book published that answers your questions. It is called Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study by John Woodmorappe.

It’s more like a collection of weakly supported assertions than ‘answers’ and there is hardly a consensus among all creationists that agree with Woodmorappe. Yeah, lots of serious problems that are not addressed.
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then they can tell us how the carnivores were fed
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John Paul:
How do people feed their cats & dogs? How are the carnivores fed in a zoo? Could be close to the same way that is done.

Wow ! They had refrigeration ? Isn’t that how Zoo carnivores are fed ? With refrigerated meat ?
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how the boat stayed afloat in waters that could have overturned cruisse ships
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John Paul:
Um, it wasn’t a boat. It was a barge shaped Ark. Flat bottomed and rectangular in shape. According to the study that was done in 1994 by Hong et al. and published in Creation Ex Nihlo Technical Journal 8(1): 26-36, the Ark would not flip and was very seaworthy.

Odd that the art of ship building ( up to the 19th century ) couldn’t develop a wooden vessel more than 300 feet long that didn’t break up on the open seas. An Ark of such dimensions would have been inherently unstable, it’s timber over flexed, bringing on severe leakingit would have sank within a matter of hours.
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and how insects, like the fig wasp, that live for 3 days and require the fig fruit of the fig tree to reproduce, survived
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John Paul:
Please show us the scientific evidence that the fig wasp existed as such before the Flood. Why can’t today’s fig wasp be a descendant of the wasps that survived the Flood?

Uuhhmmmbecause there’s no supporting evidence to indicate this hype-pathetic explanation.
How can you reference a time frame of an alleged flood to explain the same alleged flood ?
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how Noah was able to repopulate the entire planet in 300 years
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You do realize the exact date of the Flood is not etched in stone.
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Why is a Global catastrophe of monumental proportion and massive death so difficult to pinpoint ?
If this event occurred within the past 40,000 years, we should be able to get a very accurate date from simply using radio-carbon dating. Please don’t claim carbon dating is a tool of the biased evolutionists. It has nothing to do with evolution — its nuclear physics; an entirely different discipline. You’ll have to overturn everything we know about physics before continuing this line of explanation.
Why isn’t there evidence for a global flood ?
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how he was able to restore all cultures to their pre-flood state
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John Paul:
What’s your evidence for that?

Egyptian History; Greek History; Chinese History. The histories of these distantly dispersed civilizations didn’t mention a globally destructive flood. Perhaps they were on the same list as the insects and were not ‘invited’ ?
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how this small population was able to rebuild all cities
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John Paul:
Evidence of that also.

None of the Great cities of Egypt, Greece or China were affected by the ‘flood’. Why not ?
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how noah was able to collect all the animals
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John Paul:
Who says he did?
The animals could have migrated to Noah’s place and/ or Noah could have hired other people to collect them.

According to some book called Genesis, all the animals were boarded in the same day:
Gen 7:13
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
Gen 7:14
They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
Did Woodmorrappe explain this too ?
Did noah develop Crystal Meth for his sons to tackle all this work in one day ?
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how all the animals were able to move from turkey to australia, the americas, etc. without food (all vegetation would have been wiped out during the flood, and would have taken many years to regrow)...
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John Paul:
The most likely scenario for the distribution of the fauna after the Flood was a planned distribution carried out by Noah’s descendants. As in put the animals on big boats and take them to their destination.

Are you simply making this up as you go, now ?
Why is there no evidence for this claim ? You can’t even cite a chapter verse to support this nonsense.
LOL ~!
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how fish, most who cannot tolerate even the slightest change is salinity, survived
how marine mammals survived
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John Paul:
I see. You are imposing what we observe today onto what existed in Noah’s day.

Yes, right up until you provide reason for us not to. Can you present evidence that suggests this Noah fella even existed ?
Got any evidence at all? NONE ??
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how coral survived (coral core measuring goes well beyond the estimated time of the flood, about 4000 years ago)
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John Paul:
First you have to realize there isn’t a set date for the Flood.

Odd that you keep reminding us of this lack of evidence.
Thank you.
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how the americans and chinese and egyptians, not to mention their fabulous structures, survived...
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John Paul:
What structures and how do you know they were built before the Flood?

What Flood ? Show us.
You can’t use the flood to explain the flood.
Show us EVIDENCE that suggests a flood occurred before you reference it as evidence for other claims.
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there are more... maybe you could quote me and then answer each question one by one... answer each one... and perhaps you could give a link or two to back up your claims...
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John Paul:
Actually all you have to do is read the book I mentioned earlier. Then if you have issues with it at least we will have something to debate.

Woody doesn’t provide evidence either. All he has are coulda’s and woulda’s
Why not just present evidence ? That would be the simplest and most effective approach.

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