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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How much money does it cost to create, build, maintain and use smart weapons?
How much does it cost to create, build, maintain and use an improvised explosive device? If you are a poor peasant fighting to drive the invaders out of your country, which of those weapons is in the realm of possibilities? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
When all you have is a family goat, would you not want to protect it?
If your nation was invaded, would you not want to try to expel the invaders? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you know what a CWO is?
Factually, the gentleman is incorrect when he says, "We don’t want to be in Afghanistan, we have never invaded a country for the purpose of occupying it or taking its land or resources. " and also when he says "We are there because it was the birthplace of the plot to destroy the World Trade Center and ruin the financial district of America. " We have invaded countries to take the land and resources, and the list is quite long and includes much of what is today the US. The evidence shows that much of the planning and training for the 9-11 attacks took place all over the world, Indonesia, Canada, Spain, England, France and the US as well as Brazil IIRC. And do you really think that the best way to get folk to love us is to invade their country? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, border security is pretty much a joke anyway. Non of the participants seem to have traveled illegally during the event.
But yes, I can document that but it will take considerable time that I'm simply not likely to invest. But it's all available in the tens of thousands of pages that were published on the investigations. By the way, the incident regarding terrorists crossing from Canada that I know of was unrelated to 9-11 and was a West Coast incident. My point is that Afghanistan played almost no role in the 9-11 attack or any of the preparations. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Whatever.
The point is that none of the countries INCLUDING Iraq and Afghanistan and yes, even Canada had anything to do with the events of 9-11. The folk involved, particularly in the planning, were mobile people that moved freely throughout the world, and that the majority of the training and planning happened in the US, Indonesia and Germany, yet TTBOMK we have not yet invaded any of them. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We could have gone after the individuals.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Would invading their country be a reason?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Read what you wrote.
Al Qaeda is not Afghanistan, it is not Iraq. Name the Middle eastern countries that the US has not invaded or controlled. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Partly.
I think their actions were wrong but I can certainly see their position. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A base was in Afghanistan. They also used all the available resources in this mobile world and so were not tied to Afghanistan in any major way.
But Al Qaeda is still not Afghanistan or Iraq. We did not invade Al Qaeda. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However civilian targets have long been recognized, particularly by the US and its allies as viable targets. Granted, with the availability of highly targetable weapons we may do less of that than we did when I was young but it is still done.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But we also targeted workers in factories, supply chains, transportation systems, people in villages that support enemies as well as whole villages themselves; and continue to see 'collateral losses'.
The key thing that I don't see getting discussed is the required change in paradigm and rules of conflict that will be necessary in the future. We are still fighting the current wars by the rules of the last war. That is a sure recipe for failure. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just a small correction. The pledge was changed during Ike's administration but it was done by Congress and driven mostly by the Knights of Columbus.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Perhaps America could have won public relations points with the rest of the world by accepting the slap on the cheek without retaliation. I agree that it would have been cheaper and more rational to do so. But what do your tell the families of 3000 killed? Do you tell them that we are sorry that it happened but that we don't have the power to do anything about it? No one has ever said that the US should have done nothing after 9-11, what folk have been saying is that what we did do was really, really juvenile. What do the police tell folk after a robbery? What did the police say after Oklahoma City? Edited by jar, : find another way around the censoring that is now so common at EvC Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course.
The US is a Nation State while Al Qaeda is a political organization. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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