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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2810 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Talk of stalks and babies is highlighting your apparent desperation! I'm talking of storks and babies because I'm trying to talk down enough so that you understand. Apparently I can't even pretend to be *** enough to get through to you, but I'll try again. Lazy, uneducated people such as yourself would rather say "magic did it" than find out the real answer. How does a remote control work? Magic.How does a car work? Magic. How does a microwave work? Magic. See, it's VERY simple, and EXTREMELY lazy. It's also dead wrong. Why do all birds have feathers? Magic.Why do some fish breath air and walk on the land? Magic. Why do humans and chimps share so much DNA? Magic. See? Just as ***. Just as lazy. Just as wrong.
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Mazzy ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4908 days) Posts: 212 From: Rural NSW, Australia Joined:
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I will again restate in simple terms that the 'how' God created kinds is the same as the evolutionists 'how' to abiogenesis. Neither of us can explain nor prove our version of abiogenesis. Only a bigotted boofheaded hypocrite would demand a level of explanation more robust than they themselves can provide. I hope there are none here!!!
Is this the only harp you can come up with...that I come up with a theory of a science we cannot comprehend or a theory of everything. Lazy you say. A thick hide may be what you have when you are unable to demonstate how abiogenesis occured. The Kinds of birds that have feathers, have feathers because they were created that way. It is the evos that have to demonstrate the dino to bird thing that some of your own researchers do not accept. Why should I? Why birds are NOT descended from dinosaurs | Daily Mail Online Your researchers have no idea why some organism landed. They hypothesise with never ending thoeries that you call evidence. I am sure evos can no longer tell the difference between fact and theory. If you have not heard by now the explanations of the human/chimp similarity, then you kow nothing of creationism and have not read looked at my links.
quote: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzephl0d/ Also your biased models reflect colour stains from a hand ful of enzymes. The Pergalen research demonstrates chimp genes are much more different that first thought. You Can't Make a Monkey Out of Us | WIRED# Here is some more about what rubbish your comparisons are:Is the evolutionary tree changing into a creationist orchard? - creation.com So I say creationists have the evidence they need and you have a mess that requires sorting. I have already shown how little you know about the fossil record and its representations. Now let's see how little you know about genomics by asking ever more silly questions. So now, smarty pants, you explain the impact of genetic drift(luck) and its importance in driving evolution. When your paper has been accepted by the scientific community you let us all know!!!! Your researchers will be greatfull because they do not currently know. I will repeat..there are no ape men around because there never were any. Simple and in line with what we see now, and without the necessary convoluted theories evos need to explain it. Edited by AdminModulous, : put quoted text into quote boxes
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Lazy you say. Well, given that the bits of your rant that were written in coherent English were copied from other people, "lazy" would indeed seem to be the mot juste. It appears to be standard creationist crap; so even if you bothered to read it, we can be sure that you didn't exert any effort in finding out whether it was sense or nonsense.
I have already shown how little you know about the fossil record ... Oh, my word. Look, why not just link us to a video of you slapping yourself in the face with a custard pie?
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Mazzy ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4908 days) Posts: 212 From: Rural NSW, Australia Joined:
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Well if talking to asides bothers you, perhaps you had better tell these evos here to stop harping on the asides, as this seems all they can go on about..just look at them. How many of them are on topic?....NONE.....
I at least continue to say there are 1. no apey men around because there never were any. 2. The FACT that there are none around today is in line with what a creationist would expect. 3. Evolutionists have nothing more than hand waving to offer as explanations. That is perfectly on topic...... Go tell your evo friends, that continue to embarrass themselves with dribbling asides, to stay on topic!!!!!!
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Mazzy ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 4908 days) Posts: 212 From: Rural NSW, Australia Joined:
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Oh I see no paper of explanation of your recent embarrassment re the rise of life and man being lucky, nor genetic drift. All you have is circlular asides.
Why do you not refute the evidence I provided to refute genetic similarity as being necessarily connected to deep ancestry? Huh? Answer: You cannot. All you are able to do is parrot off the same old lines and asides over and over. There are plenty of cambrian and precambrian eg stomolites, jellyfish still here today. There are chimps, gorrillas etc all survived untill today. But non one apey, hairy tribe found anywhere. There have been hypothesis put forward, but NO evidence. In fact it is debated still. So the creationists stance is the stronger as it does not need complicated assumptions. The fossil evidence also supports the creationists stance. I have given three points that address the topic. Now you explain why something like Neanderthal, with a bigger brain than us, went extinct? Why did all the other millions of side species in last 5 million years all go extinct? This is your problem.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4478 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: How does that prove that we evolved human intelligence?
quote: Dont take what I said as a sign that I think that other animals are stupid. Every animal is wonderfully made and work well for there own needs to live and reproduce. Of course animals communicate. They dance, bark etc but they dont have oral speech like humans. So how did humans evolve speech suddenly?
quote: Yes animals do great things and many are technological marvels. People who want to make better planes look to birds. If you want to make a better adhesive, look to geckos. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.
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AdminModulous Administrator (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 897 Joined:
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Any posts that are, in my flawed opinion, even slightly breaching the forum rules may result in moderator action including suspensions.
This declaration applies to any posts that have the misfortune of following this post. Please note, this thread should be coming to a nice conclusion very shortly, don't make me shoot it out of pity. Let's give it a nice send-off. Mazzy - I made your lengthy cut and paste obvious by putting it into a quote box, I don't want to have to do this again. Please avoid lengthy cut and pastes and try bringing the argument in your own words. Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh I see no paper of explanation of your recent embarrassment re the rise of life and man being lucky, nor genetic drift. All you have is circlular asides. This paragraph bears no relationship to any post that I have made and only the most tenuous of relationships to the English language.
Why do you not refute the evidence I provided to refute genetic similarity as being necessarily connected to deep ancestry? Because you did not provide it; and because it would not be on topic.
There are plenty of cambrian and precambrian eg stomolites, jellyfish still here today. And there are plenty of things that are extinct. These include the ape-human intermediates found in the fossil record.
So the creationists stance is the stronger as it does not need complicated assumptions. What is the creationist stance on why there are no living australopithecines?
The fossil evidence also supports the creationists stance. As with so much of your nonsense, this would have greater entertainment value if you tried to argue for it. Go on, tell the one about gorillas again, that one always makes me laugh.
I have given three points that address the topic. You have given us the ill-digested thoughts of others, nonsense, and irrelevant babble about jellyfish.
Now you explain why something like Neanderthal, with a bigger brain than us, went extinct? Why did all the other millions of side species in last 5 million years all go extinct? This is your problem. They appear to have had an inferior material culture; this is a likely contributing factor. After all, we know that groups within our own species have been wiped out by groups with better technology. Now, since they are equally extinct whether one is an evolutionist or a creationist, perhaps we could hear your explanation. You say that providing one is "my problem" but you give no reason why the members of your cult should be exempt from this challenge. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by AdminModulous, : hid some sections, 'peek' to see full contents. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 157 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And you continue to try all the con tricks instead of addressing the questions presented.
What is the model for how your creator critter controls evolution? Your post is just a great example of the Gish Gallop, throw out as many totally false silly assertions like "Luck" has something to do with where the Earth is located as you can and hope no one noticed that you palmed the pea. But none of that crap has anything to do with the question asked.
Edited by AdminModulous, : some content hidden, press 'peek' to see it. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 23144 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Mazzy writes: The skull pictured is an darn ape. Dr Adequate made no claim as to it's classification. He was responding to your assertion in Message 474 that our evidence of Heidelberg man is only a fossilized jaw:
Mazzy in Message 474 writes: One example is Heidelberg man. Only a jaw was found. So Dr Adequate responded with an image of a Heidelberg man skull. You are correct only so far as that the first Heidelberg man fossil found was a jaw. There is a Wikipedia article on Heidelberg man that makes clear that our fossil evidence for Heidelberg man consists of far more than a jaw. Your incorrect assertion about Heidelberg man stemmed from a response to another incorrect assertion you made in Message 463, and that Taq responded to in Message 465:
Taq writes: Mazzy writes:
Evidence please. Many of your fossils are just a few bones with the majority of the specimen reconstructed according to a wish list. And this was when you responded with your incorrect assertion about Heidelberg man that I opened with. So could you answer the question about the evidence for your claim that theories of human ancestry are based on specimens consisting of "just a few bones"? If you'd care to support the other part of the claim that the specimens are "reconstructed according to a wish list" then that would be nice, too. Another issue that would be nice to clear up concerns Homo erectus and Turkana boy. You keep repeating that Homo erectus is an ape while Turkana boy is human. Here are their skulls with Homo erectus on the left, Turkana boy in the middle, and a human skull on the right. Could you please explain what features you're considering in reaching your odd conclusions:
If you click on the peek button you'll see the markup for including these images in this message. You can cut-n-paste this markup into your own message for reference as you draft your response. If you click on any of the images they will grow to full size. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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jar Member (Idle past 157 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is so funny is that IIRC Turkana Boy is classed as either Homo erectus or Homo ergaster. Edited by AdminModulous, : content hidden, use the 'peek' button to see contents Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 23144 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
jar writes: What is so funny is that IIRC Turkana Boy is classed as either Homo erectus or Homo ergaster. Yeah, I know, and people keep telling Mazzy this, but it's like she only reads every fifth sentence in any message. --Percy Edited by AdminModulous, : contents hidden, use the peek button to view contents.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2810 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I will again restate in simple terms that the 'how' God created kinds is the same as the evolutionists 'how' to abiogenesis. Neither of us can explain nor prove our version of abiogenesis. Only a bigotted boofheaded hypocrite would demand a level of explanation more robust than they themselves can provide. And I will again restate that abiogenesis is a part of chemistry, not a part of evolution. Evolution does NOT require abiogenesis. If I PERSONALLY put life on Mars, then I created life on Mars. That life STILL evolves regardless of how it got there. But let's talk abiogenesis, shall we? All life on this planet is made up of and runs on chemistry. We can demonstrate chemistry in detail. We can break down anything into it's chemical components. What about God? What is he "made up of"? What does he eat for energy? Can you demonstrate the power of God? Can you break him down into his God components? Who created God?
I know you aren't going to answer, so I'll just go ahead and start quoting you as saying you are a bigotted boofheaded hypocrite. Edited by AdminModulous, : minor content hiding. see 'peek' etc
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2810 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
How does that prove that we evolved human intelligence? What's this "we" shit, white man? I have human intelligence. I'm not sure about you. Of course animals communicate. They dance, bark etc but they dont have oral speech like humans. So how did humans evolve speech suddenly? I gave you an example of an animal which has oral speech. Is it exactly the same language that we use? No. Or maybe it is, and we can't tell. Doesn't matter. It's communication. And that's for a small rodent. It just happens to be a language that we've decoded. Elephants and whales talk, we just aren't exactly sure what they are saying. And, we DIDN'T evolve speech suddenly. Speech evolved slowly over time, just like everything else.
People who want to make better planes look to birds. Actually, no. Google ornathopter. Those suckers do not work. But that's beside the point. Your premise was that animals couldn't think, invent or assess. I've proven your wrong, so instead you say that animals are inventions. Let's get back to the ACTUAL discussion. I gave you an example of ONE animal which was doing ALL The things you had said that animals can't do. Yes or no? Edited by AdminModulous, : content hidden etc etc
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LucyTheApe Inactive Member
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G'day Nuggin,
Animals are slaves of instinct. They do not have the ability to reason deductively and do not have the power of self determination. That is why you've never read a good book written by a turtle. And why apes have never ventured into space. There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal
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