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jar
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Message 526 of 1075 (622317)
07-02-2011 10:06 AM
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07-02-2011 10:00 AM


Apes have ventured into space.
But apes have ventured into space. In fact apes from many countries have ventured into space.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 527 of 1075 (622318)
07-02-2011 10:24 AM
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07-02-2011 10:06 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space.
Can you give me an example of an animal that has created an automaton?
Or a bird that decided it wanted to be landscape architect?
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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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Message 528 of 1075 (622319)
07-02-2011 10:29 AM
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07-02-2011 10:24 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space.
Can you give me an example of an animal that has created an automaton?
One of England's most ingenious robot inventors is Dennis Weston of Leeds. His best known creation is Tinker, a six-foot-taII robot that can be programmed for such tasks as washing a car (upper right). Tinker is activated by some 430 motors and can be controlled up to two miles away via Weston's control panel (upper left). A TV camera in the robot's head even transmits a picture to the operator. In the two lower photos, Weston is shown at work on a new creation, Percy. Electronic sensors in the head (right) receive high-frequency signals that enable Percy to calculate the best route past objects in his path.
NEWS BRIEFS — Popular Mechanics, May 1970.
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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jar
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Message 529 of 1075 (622320)
07-02-2011 10:30 AM
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07-02-2011 10:24 AM


Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Can you give me an example of an animal that has created an automaton?
Of course I can. I can even give you the names of some animals that have built automaton, as well as the names of apes that have gone into space.
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Message 530 of 1075 (622321)
07-02-2011 11:04 AM
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07-02-2011 10:30 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
OK Jar, next questions...

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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jar
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Message 531 of 1075 (622322)
07-02-2011 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by LucyTheApe
07-02-2011 11:04 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
The automatons were all created by human animals and yes, all the apes that ventured into space went of their own volition. Many even wrote about their experiences after they got back.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 532 of 1075 (622325)
07-02-2011 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 531 by jar
07-02-2011 11:11 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Jar, do you have a reference to the memoirs of those space apes? Are you saying that humans are apes?
Do you really want to address my stated differences between humans and animals, or not?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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jar
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Message 533 of 1075 (622327)
07-02-2011 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 532 by LucyTheApe
07-02-2011 11:31 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Of course humans are apes. They are also animals.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 534 of 1075 (622329)
07-02-2011 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 533 by jar
07-02-2011 11:32 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Jar, at least try. When and why did only one type of animal develop the ability to reason?
How and why is it, that only one type of animal can decide how to live its life?

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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Coyote
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Message 535 of 1075 (622330)
07-02-2011 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 532 by LucyTheApe
07-02-2011 11:31 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Are you saying that humans are apes?
Some distinguishing characteristics of primates include:
  • Forward-facing eyes for binocular vision (allowing depth perception)
  • Increased reliance on vision: reduced noses, snouts (smaller, flattened), loss of vibrissae (whiskers), and relatively small, hairless ears
  • Color vision
  • Opposable thumbs for power grip (holding on) and precision grip (picking up small objects)
  • Grasping fingers aid in power grip
  • Flattened nails for fingertip protection, development of very sensitive tactile pads on digits
  • Primitive limb structure, one upper limb bone, two lower limb bones, many mammalian orders have lost various bones, especially fusing of the two lower limb bones
  • Generalist teeth for an opportunistic, omnivorous diet; loss of some primitive mammalian dentition, humans have lost two premolars
  • Progressive expansion and elaboration of the brain, especially of the cerebral cortex
  • Greater facial mobility and vocal repertoire
  • Progressive and increasingly efficient development of gestational processes
  • Prolongation of postnatal life periods
  • Reduced litter sizeusually just one (allowing mobility with clinging young and more individual attention to young)
  • Most primates have one pair of mammae in the chest
  • Complicated social organization
But wait! There's more:
Superfamily Hominoidea
This superfamily contains humans and their close relatives, the apes. The first hominoids first appeared about 25 million years ago. Present-day hominoids are characterized by the absence of tails and by rather primitive rounded molars. This means that hominoid molars are less specialized than other primates.
Some Hominoid characteristics include:
  • Large brain
  • Large size
  • Long arms
  • Long curved fingers
  • Very stable elbow joint
  • Relatively spherical humerus head that allows for 360-degree shoulder rotation
  • High limb mobility
  • Long and robust clavicle
  • Bony broad sternum
  • Short and stable lumbar region of the back
  • Broad pelvis
  • No tail
  • Primitive rounded molars
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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jar
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Message 536 of 1075 (622331)
07-02-2011 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 534 by LucyTheApe
07-02-2011 11:40 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
I'm sorry but what makes you think only one type of animal develop the ability to reason or one type of animal can decide how to live its life?
Those are both really silly assertions, pitiful actually, in addition to being fallacious and irrelevant.
There is ample evidence that Gorillas, Bonobos, Chimpanzees, Orangutans, Ravens, Crows, Mockingbirds, Beaver, Elephant, Dolphin as well as other critters have the ability to reason and decide how to live their lives.
But as I pointed out above, it is also irrelevant to the topic. There is a human ape alive today.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 537 of 1075 (622332)
07-02-2011 11:54 AM
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07-02-2011 5:25 AM


Re: More evolved?
I have given three points that address the topic. Now you explain why something like Neanderthal, with a bigger brain than us, went extinct? Why did all the other millions of side species in last 5 million years all go extinct? This is your problem.
There are numerous reasons a larger, stronger species may go extinct while the smaller, weaker may survive.
ie: Why did the smaller Carcharodon carcharius (Great white shark) survive while the much larger Carcharodon megalodon
become extinct? The size of the brain of Neanderthal has very little do with survival. Bigger isn't necessarily better. One could say the sapiens was better at adapting to change than was neanderthal, similarly carcharius was more adaptable than megalodon. The same reason there are no dragonflies with 4 foot wingspans as of those in the Carboniferous period.
If the sapiens, at the time of the Neanderthals were anything like there modern descendants, they were probably instrumental in the demise of the Neanderthals. We do do very good job of being invasive wherever we go, having caused the extinction of many species.
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Message 538 of 1075 (622333)
07-02-2011 11:54 AM
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07-02-2011 11:46 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
Thanks and G'day Coyote, nice list of suppositions, but no mention of the development of REASON and SELF DETERMINATION.

There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.
blz paskal

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Nuggin
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Message 539 of 1075 (622334)
07-02-2011 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 525 by LucyTheApe
07-02-2011 10:00 AM


Re: More evolved?
Animals are slaves of instinct. They do not have the ability to reason deductively and do not have the power of self determination. That is why you've never read a good book written by a turtle. And why apes have never ventured into space.
I already gave an example of an animal reasoning. Reasoning was needed for the raven to figure out how to fashion the hook from the wire and use it to fetch the food.
As for turtles and books, I suspect the reason we haven't read any books written by turtles has as much to do with their inability to hold a pen or use a typewriter.
And as for apes in space, lest your forget, humans are apes. We've ventured into space.
Oh, and if by "apes" you mean "chimps", you should remember chimps were in space before we were.

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Message 540 of 1075 (622335)
07-02-2011 12:00 PM
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07-02-2011 11:54 AM


Re: Apes have ventured into space and animals that have built automatons.
nice list of suppositions...
Name one that is a supposition.
(Note tagline.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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