Why are there no human apes alive today?

This post marks the 40th time someone has explained this to Mazzy.Anyone think it's gonna sink in this time?

Great, lets have some examples. And it is of the utmost importance to this thread; you are saying Apes are human.

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

No, I am saying that humans are apes. I am one of the Great Apes. You are one of the Great Apes. All humans are Primates.In this very thread there are examples of ravens reasoning and building tools. Have you read the thread?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

No, those weren't suppositions; that was a list of demonstrable, undeniable similarities that exist between us and the other apes. Or do you want to deny that human beings have fingernails and opposable thumbs, and lack tails?Of course, it's impossible to deny that human beings are also different in some ways from the other apes. If we weren't we wouldn't be in our own genus, would we? We're the only animal on this planet, so far as I know, that builds outdoor barbeques, writes epic poetry in dactylic hexameter, and wears pants of our own free will. That makes us different, but it doesn't makes us better. You only think that algebra and sitcoms and Stonehenge make us better because you can do them. (As a species, anyway. I don't know whether or not you personally had a hand in building Stonehenge.) Not one of us human apes can photosynthesize, live in deep ocean thermal vents, or reproduce by cell division, and ALL of those traits have a greater survival value than reason does.To bring this around to the alleged topic of this thread, I don't think that it's surprising that no other of our Homo cousins have survived. What's surprising is that we've lasted this long.

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Hi ZenMonkey,Just noticed the Theodoric quote in your signature. Even if "effect" is what he actually said, "affect" is what he meant.Edited by Percy, : Typo.

The Caledonian Crow, who has been referred to a couple of times here:http://www.sciencemag.org/site/feature/data/crow/
leads to the paper announcing this ability, and a great little movie of the behavior.And humans are apes; not all apes are human. Chimps are apes; not all apes are chimps. Beagles are dogs; - you get the picture.And welcome back, Lucy! I haven't seen you in a while!

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"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

Crows have been shown to display self awareness and tool use. Google 'crow intelligence' and you will see how smart and self aware they are.They can recognise who they are in mirror test and display theory of mind. Edited by Larni, : Editing content.

Jar, what does it mean to be human? So at least some apes are human according to you. But you're Great, hey? Just like Darwin et al were the highest form of animal; the apex of the evolutionary process.
What place does your a priori " All humans are Primates." have in this debate? Those things are for your personal world view. I've already explained I'm talking about deductive reasoning not induction. All living animals learn from experience, that's instinct. I haven't read all the posts in the thread, but I will.Is there any differences between the abilities of humans and apes; and if so what are they, in your opinion?

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

The topic is "Why are there no human apes alive today?"The answer is that there are human apes alive today. It's not a matter of world view, but rather of fact. Again, humans are apes. Humans have greater dexterity in their hands than most of the other apes, have developed some tools that the other apes have not developed, but the differences are more quantitative than qualitative.And inductive reasoning is NOT simply instinct, That is just a silly absurd statement.AbE:And to be human you must be of the species Homo sapiens sapiens.Edited by jar, : add to be or not to be.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

To mention a few.
If you can't see it I can't help you!

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Hi Zen Monkey we have a lot in common, we are both primates. This is an interesting observation, can you please elaborate?

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Thanks Coragyps,
The Caledonian Crow is a fine example of inductive learning, adaptive behavior, without which no life would survive.And yes, I get the picture;

Your perspective

And mine

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There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything. blz paskal

Hi Lucy,I doubt it makes sense to anyone that you think Coyote's list is a bunch of suppositions. Without going through the whole list and just focusing on the first item, what is it about forward-facing eyes as a quality we share with apes that seems like a supposition to you? Don't all apes have forward facing eyes?--Percy

Yes I have heard of 'PROBABLY out competed'.Now your statement re Neanderthal says modern decendants "were PROBABLY instrumental in the demise of Neanderthal".Creationists do not need 'probably'.Your theory suggests modern humans left Africa and found 'human like' species.Below is a link suggesting modern humans left Africa 70,000 years ago.
National Geographic MagazineYou have humans that wore jewellery and buried the dead in Isreal 92,000-115,000 years ago.
Mount Precipice - WikipediaYou use the words gracile or robust to try to make chimps out of humans, yet teeth and bone density are simply ties to the environment. For example Aboriginal teeth are different.Now there is evidence of modern humans in Isreal 400,000 years old.HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPostSo basically creationists never believed there were any mid human-ape species. Here are modern humans placed in Israel 400,000 years ago, by your dating methods."PROBABLY instrumental" is not scientific evidence, nor does PROBABLY constitute a FACT.Creationists do not need PROBABLY to explain why there are no mid human/ape species about. There are no mid species about because there never were any and that is in line with the fossil evidence and the FACT that there are none here today.So you lot have a cascade of probably's to explain what should be here but isn't, then another cascade of probably's to explain why something is there that shouldn't be. This is not science, it is faith.How many times do I have to tell you that PROBABLY, MAYBE & LIKELY is NOT scientific fact. I wonder if it will sink in this time.So the best you can do is provide probably to explain no hairy half apes around today. I require the facts alone....there aren't any!

I have stated that the difference between mankind and apes is our higher reasoning powers and perception. Mankind was created in the image of God and therefore is able to comprehend such things as an afterlife and salvation. This is something an ape cannot do.To denegrate mankind to an ape, is based on the evolutionary need to show ancestry. Evos say that skeletal and cranial morphology is similar. That is rather simplistic. When one looks to apes, regardless of the similar skeletal structure to humans, common sense must leave the room to suggest in fact we are similar. We have 4 limbs and a head in common appearance and not much more.I suggest there are no mid species fossils found. Rather they are either human or ape. I have played this line here. So my assertion is the reason there are no hairy half humans around is because there never were any, only a large variety of apes and humans.