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Message 72 of 94 (623083)
07-08-2011 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Chuck77
07-08-2011 2:05 AM

If those other theorys all went thru the Scientific method to get to where they are now, ID will just have to stand on it's own, maybe in a philosophy class as you suggested.
As someone who vehemently opposes the idea of ID in the science classroom, I do agree that ID would be appropriate for the philosophy classroom. However, I have a strong suspicion that the same parents who are against evolution in public schools would be even more stridently opposed to a philosophy course if they read the textbooks and curriculum.
Maybe ID will be able to develop itself in the future more so, according to the process Science demands.
Perhaps. This will probably have to wait for the next generation of ID thinkers. The current crop have made it abundantly clear that they will not be doing ID research. I can't say that I blame them. ID, in its current form, does not lend itself to scientific experimentation.
Once you mention God in a theory it's lights out( they don't in the strict definition of the term- but the cats already out of the bag-so to speak). The BB didn't, and is accepted.
Actually, you might want to do some research into the beginnings of the Big Bang theory. The main man behind the theory was George Lemaitre. He was a Jesuit priest and fully believed that the BB was a creative act. It could also be argued that the BB theory did garner some skepticism based solely on Lemaitre's beliefs, but at the end of the day the evidence was overwhelming and the theory was accepted by a consensus of scientists from every stripe of belief and non-belief.
Some choose to think God/gods is responbible for the BB, but not till AFTER it was established.
You may want to rethink that.

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Message 75 of 94 (623505)
07-11-2011 2:47 AM
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07-09-2011 4:41 AM

People like Doug Axe and Ann Gauger are at least performing proper lab experimentation.
I'm not familiar with Gauger, but what I have seen of Axe's work it is completely in the vein of "evolution can't do it, therefore ID". Even then, Axe makes a poor case. That isn't ID research. It is research on evolution. I have yet to attend a scientific conference where someone stands in front of the crowd and states, "No one has shown how an intelligent designer could do this, therefore it must have evolved". If someone did do that they would be booed off the stage.
I don't think that any of their work makes a coherent argument either for ID or against traditional darwinian evolutionary trajectories, but again I'd put this down to the lack of a sufficient theoretical framework for ID.
I agree. All they have is a dislike of evolution and nothing scientific to really pursue.

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