Why are there no human apes alive today?

Dont swear.

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If you stop lying, I'll stop swearing.

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I don't see that happening any time soon.

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Im not lying. This my opinion and belief.

Thats your opinion not mine.

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There is no "truth" in your worldview.

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I believe that God exists. Just because someone on the Internet says Im a liar does not change my belief. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

Can you show the evidence that apes had speech, language, logic, self awareness, conscience? Man is unique in his capacity to speak, to write language, to record facts and figures, to build amazing structures and to overcome and expand his environment. He is able to create, to reason, to assess, to calculate and to invent. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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You and I are both apes and we're using language to communicate right now. I am using logic as well, can't say the same for you.

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How does that prove that we evolved human intelligence?

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You and I are both apes and we're using language to communicate right now. I am using logic as well, can't say the same for you.However, many different animals are capable of speech. Some of the languages are are starting to decode. Prairie Dogs for example have a complex series of barks their watchers use to communicate if there is a threat, where it is coming from and when the coast is clear. That's information transfer through sound from one individual to one or more individuals. That is language.

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Beavers build amazing structures which expand their environment, and they pale in comparison to termites and ants.

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Dont take what I said as a sign that I think that other animals are stupid. Every animal is wonderfully made and work well for there own needs to live and reproduce. Of course animals communicate. They dance, bark etc but they dont have oral speech like humans. So how did humans evolve speech suddenly?

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These things have regularly be observed in animals. There are several species of bird which can reason, calculate and invent. I remember reading something (in Discover magazine I believe - I'll find it for you if you need me to once I have the time) about a study with birds where the bird was given a wire and a bottle with a treat inside. The birds had to bend the wire a certain way, then use it as a hook, to get the treat out.

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That's a bird ASSESSING the situation, REASONING out a solution, CALCULATING the amount of bend in the wire, and using the wire to INVENT/CREATE a hook.

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Yes animals do great things and many are technological marvels. People who want to make better planes look to birds. If you want to make a better adhesive, look to geckos. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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I gave you an example of an animal which has oral speech. Is it exactly the same language that we use? No. Or maybe it is, and we can't tell. Doesn't matter. It's communication.

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And that's for a small rodent. It just happens to be a language that we've decoded. Elephants and whales talk, we just aren't exactly sure what they are saying.

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And, we DIDN'T evolve speech suddenly. Speech evolved slowly over time, just like everything else.

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But that's beside the point. Your premise was that animals couldn't think, invent or assess.

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I've proven your wrong, so instead you say that animals are inventions.

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Let's get back to the ACTUAL discussion.

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I gave you an example of ONE animal which was doing ALL The things you had said that animals can't do. Yes or no?

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Theres no doubt that animals have intelligence. And I marvel at the magnificent technology and abilities that animals have. Animals tend to make no progress and are restricted to the inbuilt abilities they have. Animals have instinct not a creative mind.It goes back to the way you think. Is man an accident, pond scum, a product of chance or an intricately formed, intelligent, responsible, purposely made creature? This contrast is the belief that everything is specially made with meaning and purpose. You see how the way of thinking can change depending on your foundation?Evolution proclaims the amazing world around us. But the true miracle of evolution is the evolution of human affairs! Education teaches human physiology, anatomy, anthropology, psychology. Universities take man apart, study him and take the human brain apart. Why does man have the thinking and reasoning ability and knowledge that is impossible for other animals to have?

Just because animals are intelligent does not mean they are as advanced as humans. The very thing we are discussing, science, is precisely the difference between humans and other animals. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

I never said that animals are stupid. They are magnificent and marvelous. Just because a Raven cracks a nut or a monkey uses a tool does not prove that they have the self awareness that humans do. Come back to me when an animal besides a human builds a rocketship, builds pyramids like the Egyptians or ancient wonders like the Babylonians, art and philosophy like the Greeks, merchant fleets like the Venetians, the scientific revolution of modern science. Look around you and wonder at the marvel of evolution in human affairs. It is truly remarkable. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

I havent lied about anything. I took your evidence and accept it. But the intelligence and self-awareness of animals as remarkable as it may be does not come anywhere close to humans. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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Despite the passionate desires and efforts of many highly qualified people over many decades to find real real evidence of ape men the hard scientific facts are clearly against the existence of such. Notice this quote from Science Digest May 1982 p. 44 : " Modern apes seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record. And the true origin of modern humans-of upright, naked, toolmaking, big-brained beings-is, if we are to be honest with ourselves, an equally mysterious matter". Regarding the impressive pictures, documentaries etc that the public are subjected to I find this quote revealing from the book The Biology of Race 1971 p. 135,171 : "The flesh and hair on such reconstructions have to be filled in by resorting to the imagination. Skin colour; the colour, form, and distribution of the hair; the form of the features; and the aspect of the face -of these characteristics we know absoulutely nothing for any prehistoric men". The above quotes are the real situation and very little has changed since this material was published . I find it disturbing that our 21st. Century scientists seem increasingly unaware that human evolution is still highly speculative.

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After 150 years, evolutionary scientists have discovered a handful of disputed fossils and artist impressions. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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Tell us, after 2000 years, what evidence do you have of an actual Jesus? Got "a handful of undisputed Jesus fossils"?

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I'll match you 1,000 to 1 for each and every piece of physical evidence you provide. How's that sound?

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The fact that you dispute the existence of Jesus shows your bias. How many other historical not mythological people do you deny existed? I bet you dont deny that Buddha or Muhammad existed.

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Portillo....You should consider that human language is largely responsible for the complexity we see with our current society. That is our passing on of ideas has in effect accumulated over the generations to create the amazing architecture, art, space travel, etc....that you say makes us so different from apes.

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Hard to believe that language is all it takes to build a rocketship etc. Are you saying that if another animal evolves language that they will also be able to build a rocketship?

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And even language itself is only formed through the environment we have created for ourselves as well.....cases of neglected and feral children have shown language can not be learned after a certain age.

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I dont know about that. I heard that feral children can create their own language, expecially if they have other kids to socialise with. Some scientists say that human language is inborn/innate.Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

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There are about 100 homo erectus remains and thats just one branch of the homo family and its not a number i would consider a handful.

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Some scientists have said that homo erectus is fully human. If that is true, then you have 100 human fossils no different then any other human. Hardly a missing link or key to human evolution from apes.

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So, your argument is that if Person A exists, then person B must exist?

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That's pretty weak sauce.

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There's no actual evidence for Jesus having existed. The _closest_ thing you've got is a known forgery of a historical record. Hardly evidence.

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Is it possible or even likely that there was a person in that general area at that general time who had that name? Sure. There's at least 2 guys named Jesus on my street!

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But the STORY spun in the Bible is not the story of a living breathing person.

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It's a collection of features from EARLIER religions which the Jews/Early Christians co-opted.

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This CAN'T be news to you.

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Can you tell me how "Jesus" differs significantly from Horace or Mithra or any of the other solar deities of the area?

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Do you believe that Buddha, Muhammad and Confucius existed?