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Author Topic:   Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?
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Message 505 of 657 (612553)
04-16-2011 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Tram law
04-16-2011 7:57 PM


What scholars?
Show me the scholars that believe that
Israel was big and strong enough to challenge Egypt in battle.

Your link does not show any source that has presented this. I tend to question what is posted an apologist sites. Show me the evidence. The stele says no such thing.


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Message 549 of 657 (613129)
04-21-2011 9:10 PM
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04-21-2011 6:56 PM


Re: Nuweiba Beach A Delta
Still don't see a delta. Where is the river that would cause a delta? More importantly, even if this was a delta, how does this provide evidence for your "sand bar"?


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Message 562 of 657 (613174)
04-22-2011 10:15 AM
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04-22-2011 9:55 AM


Alluvial fan?
Looks more like an alluvial fan to me. I am not sure whether it can be called an alluvial fan since the debris gets deposited into the sea, but the processes that would form this are more in line with an alluvial fan than a delta.

I guess we need a geographer to weigh in on this.


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Message 566 of 657 (613222)
04-22-2011 10:19 PM
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04-22-2011 9:59 PM


Re: Buzsaw Evidence Recapped
Trae writes:

OliverChant writes:

Do you know the desert is constantly moving ,ever seen a sandstorm everything disappears..omg(btw I'M 14 years old and I answered that for you!)

You’ve lost me. You do understand that not all deserts have dunes? So which desert are you talking about and what types of dunes are present? How big is this desert and what percentage is covered in dunes?

Creationists do not feel that there is a need for knowledge. They are confident that the little bit they know is enough to make them correct on any subject.

I assume Oliver is not 14 and is prob just a fundie trying to stir the shit. All he has shown is fundie/creo adherence to the cult of ignorance.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Non-topic sniping hidden, etc.


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Message 568 of 657 (613224)
04-22-2011 10:49 PM
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Re: Buzsaw Evidence Recapped
Trae writes:

Understood. Though in fairness we could probably have say most Americans think to a large extent that way. I attribute this to generations of hearing ‘Everyone’s entitled to an opinion’. I think like many other people when he hears desert he thinks Sahara.

Well in that comment you confirm that ignorance is rampant. The Sahara is very diversified. The Sahara is not all sand dunes.

quote:
The desert landforms of the Sahara are shaped by wind or by occasional rains and include sand dunes and dune fields or sand seas (erg), stone plateaus (hamada), gravel plains (reg), dry valleys, and salt flats (shatt or chott).

Source


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Message 570 of 657 (613226)
04-22-2011 11:14 PM
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04-22-2011 11:08 PM


Re: Nuweiba Beach A Delta
So in other words. No evidence?


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Message 646 of 657 (623330)
07-09-2011 1:07 PM
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07-09-2011 9:31 AM


Re: In Regards to Something (like that ..)
In 1970 I devoured a book which explored the Exodus as part of a GLOBAL catastrophe. In it documents and documented legends, etc point to nations all around the world suffering similar events to the Egyptian plagues, followed by periods of intense darkness, famine and re-location.

What is the title of this book? Could you give us the name of the brilliant scholar that wrote this book so we can look at the sources used. I have a feeling that the only evidence used is the version of the bible that this particular person places his/her faith in.

And that's before I get onto pole reversal, prolonged darkness, ambrosia (manna = 'honey') and rivers of honey.

Do you have evidence for any of this?

Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling


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Message 651 of 657 (623338)
07-09-2011 2:34 PM
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07-09-2011 1:54 PM


Some of Velikovsky's specific postulated catastrophes included:
Some of Velikovsky's specific postulated catastrophes included:

A tentative suggestion that Earth had once been a satellite of a "proto-Saturn" body, before its current solar orbit.
That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn's entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space.
A suggestion that the planet Mercury was involved in the Tower of Babel catastrophe.
Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe that saw the destruction of the "Cities of the Plain" (Sodom and Gomorrah)
Periodic close contacts with a cometary Venus (which had been ejected from Jupiter) had caused the Exodus events (c.1500 BCE) and Joshua's subsequent "sun standing still" (Joshua 10:12 & 13) incident.
Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.

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Since he had no evidence for any of this, do you?


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Message 654 of 657 (623376)
07-09-2011 8:48 PM
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07-09-2011 8:44 PM


Re: catastrophe
His work deserves more honest assessment. Now there is a growing movement of dissident scientists and researchers continuing his themes.

Care to provide names and sources or is this just something you like to say?

The old Newtonian/ Einsteinian gravity-only paradigms are being superceded. The Old cosmology crowd are rigidly sticking to their black holes and Big Bangs while it is becoming clear that electricity plays an enormous role in the entire universe. There is no religious agenda only a re-assessment of the past 100 years of dogma.

Anything, anything at all to back this up?

I would prefer to see some less orthodox, biased quotations than wikipedia in future. You couldn't find a more conservative, old school, anti-progress crowd if you tried.

Try this.


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