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Straggler
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Message 1 of 53 (623702)
07-12-2011 4:51 PM


Who would you like to see in a Great Debate with who?
Which two members would you like to see go head to head, on what subject and why?
I would like to see:
Oni and Buz on cosmology - Coz it'd be funny, good natured and potentially informative in a head banging kinda way.
Dr Adequate and RAZD on the (ir)rationality of atheism - Coz Dr A is one of the few atheists who hasn't engaged RAZ on this topic and coz if he did he would do it with characteristic "attitude" that would be an interesting counter to RAZ's subtler but equally attitude laden approach. "Curiously.........."
Granny Magda and Slevesque on evolution as just an interpretation of evidence - Like to see this conversation taken to an end point.
Mod and Percy debate anything that they can fnd to fundamentally disagree upon - Intellectual curiosity.
Artemis Enteri and Rrhain debate a gay related legal issue - Just for the hell of it.

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Straggler
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Message 10 of 53 (623822)
07-13-2011 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2011 5:24 PM


On what topic.........? Or is answering that question potentially going to result in an EvC meltdown?

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Straggler
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Message 19 of 53 (624058)
07-15-2011 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Modulous
07-13-2011 5:33 PM


Mod writes:
That said, I vote for Mod and somebody since I've never had opportunity for a Great Debate.
That doesn't seem right! Maybe we can rectify it.
To put you on the spot (ignore if you like) - Who would you like to Great Debate and on what topic?
Mod writes:
I concur I'd like to see Dr A and RAZD.
Potentially a classic. The escalating levels of sarcasm alone would be worth the entry fee.

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Straggler
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Message 24 of 53 (624158)
07-16-2011 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by onifre
07-16-2011 9:06 AM


Oni writes:
Can you say "1000 posts and nothing accomplished"...? Lol
Sounds like a summary of my EvC participation.
Oni writes:
I'd rather watch two old ladies argue a over game of Bridge!
Have you ever seen two old ladies fight over a game of bridge? It is not for the faint hearted.
Oni writes:
No offense to either dude but, we need some action...some fire in a great debate. It's no fun if the debate ends in a handshake and a mutual respect of one another. Gross.
True. True. Point well made. Point taken.
Oni writes:
Here are my votes:
How about Oni vs Petrophysics on morality and lifestyle choices?
Oni writes:
Straggler vs Oni in an old school B-Boy break dancing challenge. The winner is the one who gets up in the morning with the least amount of pain.
Webcams at the ready.........And BRRREEEAAAKKKK
(**Straggler starts popping and bopping to the beat**)

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Message 25 of 53 (624159)
07-16-2011 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by xongsmith
07-16-2011 12:15 AM


Re: Reversi
X writes:
Perhaps it might also be interesting to see our esteemed members take a totally opposite view and debate that view against a similarily opposite view..
It's an interesting idea. You could argue that a really good debater should be able to argue both sides of anything.
X writes:
For example, let's say Straggler takes the YEC Creationist ID viewpoint and Buzsaw takes the Evolutionary/ordinary random mutation viewpoint.
When Percy was looking for a creationist partner for (now suspended member) Faith I offered to try and take the creationist side with her as a sort of intellectual challenge. Percy considered it but ultimately wasn't convinced it was viable. On reflection I think he was right. The danger is that you just present a caricature of the position you don't really hold.

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Message 27 of 53 (624187)
07-16-2011 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by RAZD
07-16-2011 1:05 PM


Re: mirror mirror on the wall

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Message 29 of 53 (624193)
07-16-2011 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by dwise1
07-16-2011 1:59 PM


Re: Reversi
dwise writes:
As I had always been taught about debating, you are supposed to be able to argue either side of any issue. It's all about the art of argumentation and not about the issues themselves.
Yeah - In a competetive debate you simply get given the position you are going to argue and have to make the case whether you agree with it or not.
Dwise writes:
Having a YEC argue for evolution and an "evolutionist" argue the YEC side would be interesting.
there might well be merit in Xongsmith's suggestion. I am not sure but willing to find out. It would be interesting whether it works or not.
Any suggestions as to who or what would make a good "reverse posittion" Great Debate?

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Straggler
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Message 31 of 53 (624200)
07-16-2011 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by hooah212002
07-16-2011 2:37 PM


Re: Reversi
Hoo writes:
Wouldn't a good evo candidate be a former fundie?
Very possibly. Anyone in mind?

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Straggler
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Message 36 of 53 (624229)
07-16-2011 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
07-16-2011 2:54 PM


Re: Great Debaters
Buz - Your exclusion of participation in science threads surely doesn't extend to Great Debates does it?
If not then it really has even less to do with this topic than the inevitable vaguely on/off topic banter that I hoped for.

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Straggler
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Message 37 of 53 (624230)
07-16-2011 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by RAZD
07-16-2011 4:05 PM


Re: Reversi
RAZD writes:
slevesque would be better that ICANT imho
Yes - Much better.

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Straggler
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Message 38 of 53 (624231)
07-16-2011 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by hooah212002
07-16-2011 2:50 PM


Re: Reversi
Hoo writes:
I do, but I don't feel at liberty to toss someone else's name in the bucket.
Fair play. I have already put Mod on the spot and am pushing others to act equally unchivalrously.
But in my defense - I think the Great Debate format is a much under utilsed option here at EvC.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 52 of 53 (626464)
07-29-2011 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Modulous
07-29-2011 10:54 AM


GDR
Mod writes:
Maybe GDR on morality?
Currently involved in a discussion with GDR and we seem to have reached the point of frustration that can occur wherever there are opposing positions.
But I am really impressed with GDR and I think he is one of the best theistic contributors here.
So - Yeah - Good choice. I would like to see that.

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