Coyote writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Buz banned from science, period, including ID stuff. True creationist debate on science a no-no here at EvC (Evolution vs Creation. ) Pseudo-creationist stuff ok.
Buz, the reason for this is that for you, scripture et al. is the highest form of knowledge.
That is not the case in science. Science demands real evidence, and most importantly, evidence that can be tested by others.
Coyote, I've come to Bolderdash's insinuation that the reason is that sometimes the quickest and easiest way for the powers that be here at EvC town to silence the most effective
great debaters of the creationist constituency has been to either stalk, harass and ban them from where they do the most damage to the majority secularist constituency or just flat out permanently ban them.
Buz, when one is debating a topic in science it is appropriate to bring scientific evidence and to use scientific methods.
When you do religious apologetics you can use whatever methods and evidence they allow.
It is best not to confuse the two.
Belief does not constitute scientific evidence. (Hey, that would be a good tagline!).
One of the main problems in the science forums is creationists who substitute belief (and use pseudo science to support it) for real science. When the problems are explained, with supporting evidence, said creationists tend to fall back on belief and ignore the empirical evidence.
This leads to a serious disconnect.
You can preach and proselytize all you want in the religious forums, but you have to realize that neither constitutes scientific evidence. When you or other creationists debate science you really do have to follow the rules of science, and to bring empirical evidence.
Otherwise you end up as religion has, with some 40,000 different worldwide religions and close to that many sects, branches, and subdivisions of Christianity alone. The reason for that is religions rely on belief, revelation, scripture and individual interpretation rather than empirical evidence and established rules for deciding which, of various competing claims, is likely to be wrong.
Or, as Heinlein noted, "Belief gets in the way of learning."
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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