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Topic: Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture?
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 5 of 192 (620880)
06-21-2011 2:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Larni
06-21-2011 1:55 PM
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Actually behaviour doesn't transfer to the genes either, rather it derives substantially from them. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: a little pedantry
Not as a heritable tendency to take radiation baths. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 121 of 192 (623915)
07-14-2011 1:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by zi ko
07-14-2011 12:59 PM
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Becuase the orignal bacteria weren't resistant.
How the authors had excluded that some bacteria had met these fungi? Becuase if the bacteria already had a latent antibiotic resistance it would have given them a completely different result to the one they observed. They would not have observed the resistance trait arising in line with the established mutation rate. The original Lederberg paper can be read here. TTFN, WK Edited by Wounded King, : No reason given.
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 127 of 192 (624464)
07-18-2011 4:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by zi ko
07-16-2011 10:35 AM
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Re: Lederberg experiment
In onecell organisms randomness is seen more often This is totally contrary to the evidence, in fact the only evidence at all of anything that might constitute a directed mechanism, such as those examples put forward by Wright and Shapiro, are in single celled organisms.
The experiment conditions energise random mutations. What does this even mean? There are some experiments that can induce elevated rates of mutation but the replica plate experiment set up we were discussing isn't one of them. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 133 of 192 (625306)
07-22-2011 6:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 130 by zi ko
07-22-2011 12:45 AM
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Re: Lederberg experiment
But they say that macroevolution in multi cell organisms is mainly information driven. Well fine, but the fact that they say that isn't any sort of evidence. Without some sort of data to support it that is just an assertion or the expression of an opinion. Of course by using a term like 'information driven' you have once again highlighted your lamentable inability to define any of the terms you use meaningfully. After all I have already provided links to papers showing how natural selection can work to transfer environmental information into the genome, which to my mind would satisfy a requirement for information as a driver of macroevolution. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 149 of 192 (626269)
07-28-2011 4:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 144 by Taq
07-27-2011 8:36 PM
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Wright Paper
Maybe an in-depth dissection of that paper deserves a thread of its own. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 154 of 192 (626345)
07-28-2011 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by zi ko
07-28-2011 1:22 AM
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Brazen effrontery
Wow Zi Ko! It is hard to believe your cheek in insisting others need to define terms when you have persistently failed to offer a coherent definition of any of the terms you have used to describe your hypothesis. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 156 of 192 (626422)
07-29-2011 10:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 155 by zi ko
07-29-2011 10:26 AM
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Re: Re:
anything it comes to the senses from outer and inner world. Lack of food, chemicals, light,sound, sense of danger,inability Like I said, incoherent. How can I quantify this information? In what way are any of the things you described based on a 'computational binary system'? TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 178 of 192 (627193)
08-01-2011 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 176 by zi ko
08-01-2011 9:24 AM
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Re: About empathy
Oh great, another scientist co-opted in place of making a coherent argument of your own. Could you maybe be a bit more specific about what rodent research you are attributing to Frans De waal? Most of his more recent research has been in primates. TTFN, WK
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