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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Malvern writes: I've read all too many articles on what will happen with melting glaciers, rising sea levels, increased CO2 levels, etc, etc. So the brakes on the Climate Change Cement Truck have been released and we think we'll throw out some scientific spike strip and stop it? Really? I have also read and seen much on the climate change issue and think some of it is alarmist "the sky is falling" talk. The bottom line is in our past there has been much more co2 and warmer temps.
source We will adapt to our ever changing climate, but can we provide for all the people who live on our planet? Nature will balance the scales one way or another, even if that means billions of people dying. I don't see anyway we wont use every last available fossil fuel until they are all gone. When they are all gone what will we do? If we can't find alternatives for the fertilizers we obtain from fossil fuels, often as by-products, then there will no doubt be mass starvation, war over fresh water ...ect Greenhouse gases are one of many problems we face, but I feel we should be more worried about pollution, deforestation, overfishing to name a few. If we do not become better stewards of our planet then future populations will surely suffer from the mistakes of their predecessors. The more we poison our oceans and eco systems then the harder it will be to find the proper balance of population vs available resources. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Hi Frako,
I don't think shooting co2 into space would be cost effective, it all comes down to money sadly. I remember seeing a few things on algae and always thought that it may help us in cleaning up power plants that use fossil fuels, and actually provide an alternative source of energy as a by-product.
quote: If we were to choose not to process the algae into fuel then its biomass would contain the sequestered co2 and we could then dispose/store it. It could probably be used for many things including food and fertilizer as opposed to re using it as fuel also, but I am not sure of how it could be used so it wouldn't release the co2 it had stored. AbE... I think you mean RAIL Gun...not HARP??? Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Set up a test site. Tell the people there that you want to store a tasteless, odorless gas underground (and under pressure?) that has the potential to kill them. You should Google underground gas storage and you will see we already store large amounts that way already in many countries. Natural gas is also odorless, odor is added for safety reasons in the distribution phase, and its explosive where as co2 isn't. Do you not think odor could be added to co2 that could be stored in a similar fashion?
There are plenty of places we could store co2 in old production fields, many offshore where they would be safer to humans in the event of an accident.
If it can and is done safely be the natural gas industry then why do you think we couldn't use same technology for co2?
Wiki Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Hi Buzz, just a few fact about geothermal energy, it is a rather broad group of technologies.
sourcequote: It is by no means a fix for our environment, but don't you think it should be utilized anywhere it can? The oil and gas companies probably wouldn't like it, but hey if Hawaii could produce clean cheap energy for itself then why not? Every green plant that could replace a fossil fuel plant is a step in the right direction. AbE .. As a state, all islands. Hawaii is a great candidate to produce a sizable amount of power using geothermal I would think. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
The whole point is to get something started. Show the rest of the nation and the world that we can tap into the natural resources right under our feet and not rely on oil tankers to bring fuel for the power plants. Hi Malvern, I thought you might find this interesting, this looks a lot like what you have in mind.
quote: "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Few facts about world production of geothermal power from a great source on all types of energy.
quote: I'd take it one step further, and there is increasing support for this. Why do you need gasoline powered cars in Hawaii? It is a perfect test bed for electric propulsion. Recharged by geothermal electric generation? Hells Bells. Why not? Maybe , if the infrastructure was in place, rental car companies could recive some type of tax credit for switching there fleet over, got to be big business in Hawaii. No sales tax on electric cars bought in Hawaii maybe as an incentive to switch... Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I wasnt trying to do anything but put forth figures for geothermal, no comparison was ever intended,.... Your point was???
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
lamjoseph writes: The future is also catered to with workable laws for humanity and how we can survive over population and diminished climactic conditions in the future. Please explain? "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Hi taz,
I just thought I would provide a little info on how much methane might be stored in the arctic and oceans.
quote: "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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