Why are there no human apes alive today?

This doesn't mean anything.

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This doesn't mean anything.

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Then deal with it. Unless evolution says every billion years a human evolves from another species, then the process goes into freeze.

But it might do if you consider the seed factor in relation to the time factor in respect of the role of the ape host parents, even without added dimensions, and do the math.

This doesn't mean anything.

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Then deal with it. Unless evolution says every billion years a human evolves from another species,.......

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"Evolution" doesn't "say" anything like that. Why would "evolution" make such a ridiculous statement?

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... then the process goes into freeze.

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No, it wouldn't. Why would you make such a ridiculous statement?

The theory of evolution, the ToE, is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss the ToE then please find a thread in the Biological Evolution forum, or propose a new topic over at Proposed New Topics.These are the two issues that are the topic of this thread (these descriptions have been amended slightly to avoid confusion):

1. The details and validity of the classification system that places Homo sapiens in the in the Hominidae family, popularly known as the "great apes", which itself resides within the Hominoidea superfamily, popularly known as apes.
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2. The details and validity of how relatedness is determined in both extant and extinct species, and how this applies to human ancestry.

Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

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Hi Bluegenes,Please don't let Joseph shift the topic away from biological classification and human evolution.

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I had no idea what topic he was or wasn't on. How does one tell? I was just seeing if I could speak Josephish.

Hi IamJoseph,I am asking contributors to this thread to be proactive in helping move the discussion constructively forward. Dr Adequate indicated that he could't make sense of what you said, and a more helpful response than this would nice: But more importantly, if you would like to discuss the theory of evolution in general rather than biological classification and human evolution then please find a thread in Biological Evolution or propose a new topic over in Proposed New Topics.

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Dr Adequate indicated that he could't make sense of what you said, and a more helpful response than this would nice:

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IamJoseph writes:
Then deal with it. Unless evolution says every billion years a human evolves from another species, then the process goes into freeze.

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Sometimes I cannot read my own hand writings. But this one is less confusing.I stated that it is the premise of a declared 'on-going process' which KO's ToE, or if you like, why we do not see apes becoming humans. Everyone here rejected my premise - none said why.If lets say an ape or any other life forms, via any means of twistings and branchings, becomes a human - say 1B years ago. Then we can say this happened long ago and we have to wait another Billion to witness this great event.But this cannot apply if the process is on-going, namely continuos, because the action would continue without pause. The time factor does not apply. The process which took 1B years, would be seen 1B years plus 1 second thereafter. Because 1 second after the first ape changes 1 bilion years ago, the process would be on-going.Imagine if blue marbles turned red every 10 years, as an on-going process. Would we have to wait 10 years apart for marbles to turn from blue to red? Negative! This factor is not negated if the marble changes via branches and sub-branches, because the entire process is generic to every marble.Its a question of math.

Hi Mazzy,I'm just here as the moderator and am not participating in the discussion. Please don't waste any valuable time including me in the discussion.I think it would be very beneficial to focus attention on the classification system that groups humans with apes because at this point there are different understandings of it that are causing a lot of confusion. The goal is not necessarily agreement, though that would be nice, but just an understanding of each other's position, and I think reaching an understanding on this issue is important. I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread to make sure this receives some degree of attention.

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This is covered by rule 8 of the Forum Guidelines:

8. Avoid any form of misrepresentation.

Please don't make what is already a confusing discussion even more confusing.Also, whether the "Dear" was intended as indicating fondness or as snide, belittling and condescending, either way it is best avoided. I know Dr Adequate can be very snarky, but I can't realistically provide assistance to anyone who is being equally snarky.What I can do is issue general requests to keep discussion civil and courteous, and then suspend for a day or two those who are not.

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You are asking me to 'prove' my offspring?I don't have any offspring: even if I did how would proving my offspring (I suppose you mean proving it exist) be of any relevance to the discussion?

I never asked you to prove your offspring. I did say an offspring is the result of a host seed output, not the environment.

IamJoseph's complete sentence in Message 840 was this: I don't think it was a personal question - he was using the plural, not personal, "your".

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