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frako
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Message 5 of 52 (624139)
07-16-2011 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Larni
07-16-2011 6:55 AM


Re: Giving them a chance.
If my grand kids said to me "if only you could have slowed down global warming when you had the chance, we would have had long enough to use our new fangled technology and ideas to put things right: but you didn't do we can't" I'd be kicking myself.
Well we have the technology to scrub Co2 from the air a form of plastic when dry collects co2 when wet it releases it. The technology still on paper is how to store the gas when we get it cause there would be vast amounts of it. Some ideas are to store it underground but imagine if the gas brakes free it would suffocate everything in the vicinity of where it breached the surface.

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frako
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Message 13 of 52 (624513)
07-18-2011 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Malvern
07-18-2011 12:01 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
"new fangled technology" Such as...?
Well as i said before a form of plastics abosorbes loads of Co2 when dry and releases it when its wet a very cheap way of scrubbing execs co2 from our atmosphere. The only problem now is storage where to put all that freeking gas but if we slow down the effects of global warming enough we might find a solution i we dont we might get screwed big time.

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frako
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Message 15 of 52 (624520)
07-18-2011 1:53 PM
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07-18-2011 1:29 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Any new fangled technology to trap the methane gas being released from the Artic permafrost? I understand it has 20 to 30 times the "kick" of carbon dioxide.
Nope thats why we cant let that gas escape, the way to do that is to stop or lower co2 production so the temperatures dont rise any higher.
I think that gas is the point of no return when it stats to escape on a massive scale we are only heading on one direction.
And as to storing CO2 gas? I'm sure the standard response will be similar to storing atomic waste. "Great idea. Just not in my state."
Well no you would probably have to store it where you pumped the oil out because of the massive volume the gas would take. The problem being if it gets out everything in the vicinity gets suffocated.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 19 of 52 (624557)
07-18-2011 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Malvern
07-18-2011 3:23 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
If you read the next sentence you will see that i have pointed out that problem.
But given that technology is progressing ever faster we might find another solution but if we dont slow down global warming we might go past the point of no return when such options are available.
Like launching bottles of compressed Co2 in to space via a "HARP gun"or something similar.

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frako
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Message 22 of 52 (624563)
07-18-2011 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by fearandloathing
07-18-2011 5:19 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Yea that harp gun in to space was the first thing that poped in to my head im just saying that there are many possibilities coming our way many new technologies that could deal with the problem but if we let global warming go too fare they wont matter.
p.s.
yea rail gun lol
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 26 of 52 (624723)
07-19-2011 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Malvern
07-19-2011 12:28 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Natural gas is stored and has the potential of being used, so there is a profit incentive. But what about CO2? If you're just trying to take it out of circulation, then I see a CO2 tax to pay for it's storage. Sound reasonable?
You could probably make it a hidden and fair tax say every gallon of fuel has a bit of tax on it that goes to co2 storage, every watt of energy from a coal plant also .... So as much co2 as you contribute you also pay to store away for future generations to deal with

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frako
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Message 31 of 52 (624860)
07-20-2011 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Malvern
07-20-2011 11:53 AM


Re: Giving them a chance.
What does Iceland have that Hawaii doesn't? Backbone? Vision? Commitment?
The better question would be what they dont have, American policies on energy , and crackpots like this
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 34 of 52 (625017)
07-21-2011 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Malvern
07-20-2011 1:08 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Dunno to me it sounds its ok to take a shit in your bed somebody will clean it up eventually.
Now if it where only their bead they where shitting on i would have no problems with that but its also my bed and i want it clean.

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frako
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Message 35 of 52 (625018)
07-21-2011 7:22 AM
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07-20-2011 1:46 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
I doubt that we are passed it i do think we are are very close to it though.

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frako
Member (Idle past 306 days)
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From: slovenija
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Message 46 of 52 (625183)
07-21-2011 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by fearandloathing
07-21-2011 3:36 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Yea those facts you braught up they would be better if they where in % relative to all the other MW they produce by coal....
USA 2687 3086 0.3%
Philippines 1969.7 1904 27%
Indonesia 992 1197 3.7%
Mexico 953 958 3%
Italy 810.5 843
New Zealand 471.6 628 10%
Iceland 421.2 575 30%
Japan 535.2 536 0.1%
El Salvador 204.2 204 14%
Kenya 128.8 167 11.2%
Costa Rica 162.5 166 14%
Turkey 38 94 0.3%
Nicaragua 87.4 88 10%
Russia 79 82
Papua-New Guinea 56 56
Guatemala 53 52
Portugal 23 29
China 27.8 24
France 14.7 16
Ethiopia 7.3 7.3
Germany 8.4 6.6
Austria 1.1 1.4
Australia 0.2 1.1
Thailand 0.3 0.3
TOTAL 9,731.9 10,709.7

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frako
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Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 48 of 52 (625189)
07-21-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by fearandloathing
07-21-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Numbers lie % dont
its like saying i gave 100$ to charity today im a good man, while just last night i stole 10 000 $ from a granny the good deed i did dosent compare with the bad one. And it sounds less of a good thing if i say i gave 1% of the money i stole from a granny to charity.
In the lists case iceland gave 30% of the money it stole from the granny (power it produced in a nice green way) to charity while the US the one on top of your list only gave 0.3%

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