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Taq
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Message 17 of 52 (624541)
07-18-2011 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Malvern
07-18-2011 2:45 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Meanwhile, let me pass on a little anecdote. DATELINE: Mayfield Village, Ohio on a frosty fall Sunday morning in the year 2002. It is about 9:00 AM, the sky is crystal clear, it is dead calm and there is frost on the ground in this certain church parking lot in a wooded area adjacent to a county park. Nearby is an abandoned gas well that has been leaking slowly for years. The amount of leaked gas has not been enough to prompt any action by any state or local government agency or oil company, despite repeated complaints. So, people grumbled and put up with the occasional gas odor.
Enter one church goer in his Olds who parks his car and gets out to have a quick smoke before going into church. He uses a match to light up and flicks the match into the gravel parking lot. KA-F-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-M! A blue sheet of flame races across the parking lot and scatters the church goers in a frantic dash to get out of the way.
The gas well was soon quickly sealed. Imagine that. But it took a near disaster to get any action. So, you can see why I have no confidence in underground storage schemes that could span decades.
However, you do seem to agree that gas can be captured in the ground if we wanted to, correct?

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Message 20 of 52 (624559)
07-18-2011 5:04 PM
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07-18-2011 3:23 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Oh, yes. I'm not arguing with the technology. But my years of church going has taught me that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Can you name one problem that was solved through cynicism?
It would seem to me that we should ignore people who think that something will fail before it is even tried.

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Message 28 of 52 (624765)
07-19-2011 9:13 PM
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07-19-2011 11:14 AM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Set up a test site. Tell the people there that you want to store a tasteless, odorless gas underground (and under pressure?) that has the potential to kill them.
You do realize that people already do live on top of massive natural gas reserves that, if released, would kill them, right?
Seriously, where are you going to store CO2 and who accepts the liability and who pays for it? These are not just technical questions. These are political and economic issues that have to pass muster with a whole boatload of people before it becomes reality. My cynicism is not with the technology per se. It is with the pragmatic issues that surround the technology that could have a devastating impact on people and the environment if it goes awry.
So how was Iceland able to do it?
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