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Straggler
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Message 1336 of 1725 (624886)
07-20-2011 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1335 by jar
07-20-2011 2:52 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
I'm not, I'm simply saying that what you said is simply an un-evidenced assertion, your personal belief.
What exactly do you think that my "unevidenced assertion, personal belief" is?

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 1337 of 1725 (624888)
07-20-2011 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1336 by Straggler
07-20-2011 2:58 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
It was "I mean the conclusion that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities."
It would be fine if you qualified it as saying "Every claim of a god I have looked at could be explained as a products of the human mind rather than real entities."
But as it stands it is no more valid than an assertion that "All swans are white."

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Straggler
Member (Idle past 95 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
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Message 1338 of 1725 (624889)
07-20-2011 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1337 by jar
07-20-2011 3:03 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Have you ever heard of inductive reasoning?
Do you dispute that the only known source of supernatural beings is human imagination?
Do you dispute that the tentative and falsifiable theory that ALL supernatural beings are the sourced from human imagination is a strong, falsifiable and positively evidenced conclusion?

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 1339 of 1725 (624890)
07-20-2011 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1338 by Straggler
07-20-2011 3:08 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Sure, and it would be fine if you qualified it as saying "Every claim of a god I have looked at could be explained as a products of the human mind rather than real entities."
But you didn't.
The rest is irrelevant.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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From: UK
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Message 1340 of 1725 (624910)
07-20-2011 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1339 by jar
07-20-2011 3:10 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
and it would be fine if you qualified it as saying "Every claim of a god I have looked at could be explained as a products of the human mind rather than real entities."
But you are fine with the other unqualified statements which also rely on inductive reasoning.
Please explain why.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1341 of 1725 (624913)
07-20-2011 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1340 by Panda
07-20-2011 4:48 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
You will have to give me an example.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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From: UK
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Message 1342 of 1725 (624917)
07-20-2011 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1341 by jar
07-20-2011 4:51 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
You will have to give me an example.
quote:
The last seems out of place and totally un-evidenced.
The ones before the last.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 1343 of 1725 (624920)
07-20-2011 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1342 by Panda
07-20-2011 5:01 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Here is Stragglers list.
quote:
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old rather than being omphamsitically created last Thursday.
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that gravitational effects are caused by space-time curvature rather than immaterial and undetectable gravity gnomes linking masses together.
I mean the conclusion that evolution actually took place rather than the notion that fossils and genetic evidence were simply planted by Satan to make us believe ungodly things about the creation of species.
I mean the conclusion that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities.
There is actually evidence that can be used to reach an estimate of the age of the earth, for space-time curvature, and that evolution actually took place.
There is NO evidence that all gods are simply products of the human mind rather than real entities.
It really is that simple.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 1344 of 1725 (624925)
07-20-2011 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1343 by jar
07-20-2011 5:11 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
It really is that simple.
Fascinating - but unconnected to the responses you gave Straggler.
You criticised Straggler for making an unqualified statement solely because it conflicted with your belief in god.
And you clearly stated that you were happy to accept his other unqualified statements.
I have no problem with you being a hypocrite - but I did want to point it out.

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1345 of 1725 (624927)
07-20-2011 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1344 by Panda
07-20-2011 5:19 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Okay, if that makes you happy it makes me happy too.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
Member (Idle past 3743 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 1346 of 1725 (624931)
07-20-2011 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1345 by jar
07-20-2011 5:22 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
Okay, if that makes you happy it makes me happy too.
Again - a nice sentiment, but unconnected to my previous reply.
I expect that your dishonest debating technique is closely linked to your hypocrisy.
Maybe one day you will have the courage of your convictions and finally face up to the criticism levelled at your remarks.

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1347 of 1725 (624932)
07-20-2011 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1346 by Panda
07-20-2011 5:29 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Okay, if that belief makes you happy, it makes me happy.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
Member (Idle past 3743 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 1348 of 1725 (624933)
07-20-2011 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1347 by jar
07-20-2011 5:31 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
Okay, if that belief makes you happy, it makes me happy.
I accept your acknowledgement that your criticism of Straggler's examples was both biased and wrong.
Next time, please spend a few minutes thinking about what you are posting.
Hopefully this will prevent others having to point out your mistakes and thereby force you in to being disingenuous.

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 1349 of 1725 (624936)
07-20-2011 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1348 by Panda
07-20-2011 5:41 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
You are of course free to think the content of my posts is biased or wrong if you want.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
Member (Idle past 3743 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 1350 of 1725 (624940)
07-20-2011 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1349 by jar
07-20-2011 5:47 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
jar writes:
You are of course free to think the content of my posts is biased or wrong if you want.
I am also free to explain how they are biased and wrong - which I did.
You are of course free to pretend to be stupid rather than admit your were wrong.

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