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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
You are a strange one jar. You swan around EvC declaring to anyone that will listen that your beliefs are not rational or logical. But when it is highlighted that your belief in this concept you call GOD is just as irrational and illogical as belief in any other baselessly conceived figment of human imagination you react with just as much wounded pride as any other believer.
jar writes: Thank you for sharing your belief that it is not very likely. That evidentially baseless figments of human imagination are unlikely to actually exist is hardly just a belief. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Funnier and funnier.
So now I am a fearful, immature individual with a wounded pride? Interesting, thanks for adding your opinions. I believe I have said that not only is my belief in GOD illogical and irrational, my beliefs are also inconsistent and unreasonable. Of course should you ever show me a way that I might be able to actually test my belief in GOD while I am still alive, I would be happy to consider it. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: Of course should you ever show me a way that I might be able to actually test my belief in GOD while I am still alive, I would be happy to consider it. But isn't it strange that you don't ask for similar refuting tests of Last Thursdayism or Satan planting evidence of evolution before you conclude that evolution is a fact?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, because I have found more than sufficient evidence to support a conclusion rather than a belief when it comes to evolution.
In addition, as I have pointed out, beliefs do not have to be consistent. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Aware Wolf Member (Idle past 1448 days) Posts: 156 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
jar writes:
I believe I have said that not only is my belief in GOD illogical and irrational, my beliefs are also inconsistent and unreasonable. Of course should you ever show me a way that I might be able to actually test my belief in GOD while I am still alive, I would be happy to consider it.
This is a fascinating post. I don't know how it's possible for someone to believe that a belief of theirs is illogical, irrational, inconsistent and unreasonable. I don't think we can directly control what we believe; rather, our beliefs are a function of what we think we know, what our attitudes are, what prioritize in our lives, etc. To believe that a particular belief is irrational, etc. ought to be the death knell for that belief, but you are asserting that isn't so, at least in your case. You asked if Straggler could show you a way to "test my belief in GOD...". Of course, you can examine (contemplate) your BELIEF in God, which is different than testing for God. What you conclude from that examination ought to have some affect on whether you still believe, or how strongly you believe. At least I would think so.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And yet I believe.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: No, because I have found more than sufficient evidence to support a conclusion rather than a belief when it comes to evolution. And on this basis you dismiss baseless and unfalsifiable propositions such as Last Thursdayism and Satan undetectably planting evidence of evolution actually occurring as impossible or unlikely?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, I dismiss them as unnecessary and irrelevant.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: No, I dismiss them as unnecessary and irrelevant. So on what basis do you consider positive beliefs about GOD to be any more necessary or relevant? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
To what or whom. It is a personal belief. Is my personal belief that right now I'd love a blueberry muffin of any relevance or necessity to anyone else?
Why would my personal beliefs have any relevance or necessity to anyone else? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: Is my personal belief that right now I'd love a blueberry muffin of any relevance or necessity to anyone else? I am sure that the marketing guys who work for those who make and sell blueberry muffins would take a keen interest in your reasons for this desire.
jar writes: Thank you for sharing your belief that it is not very likely. Why is the particular evidentially baseless and unfalsifiable entity in which you believe any more likely to exist than any other evidentially baseless and unfalsifiable entity? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
jar writes: As I pointed out to you in the past, I do not believe there can ever be subjective evidence for GOD or that it is likely that while we are still alive we can even find any OBJECTIVE evidence for GOD. In the complete absence of any evidence to suggest that this concept you call GOD actually exists the idea that such a thing does exist must be sourced from human imagination. How could it possibly be otherwise?
jar writes: It could be "imparted knowledge". In the complete absence of any evidence to suggest that this knowledge has been imparted the idea that you possess imparted knowledge must be sourced from human imagination. How can it possibly be otherwise?
jar writes: A product of human imagination is not a GOD. Yet as you have described it this concept you call GOD and which you believe to exist cannot possibly be sourced from anywhere else. I will leave you to ponder how likely it is that a baselessly conceived figment of human imagination actually exists.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
I think ICANT is doing a hell of a job with the dog pile in the "Existance" thread.
He's debating 3 of the sites smartest guys (nonukes, Crash and cavediver) and holding his own, IMO. He deserves some recognition, so im giving it to him Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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He's debating 3 of the sites smartest guys (nonukes, Crash and cavediver) and holding his own, IMO. I swear, creationists pick the strangest posts to laud. You really think ICANT is "holding his own"? That I'm one of the "smartest guys" at the site? I'm an idiot, but I'm nowhere dumb as you, clearly. I understand the instinct for you guys to stand up for each other, but it should really be for something better than ICANT's repetitious nonsense. There has been some really good creationist contribution around here; why couldn't you pick some of that to celebrate?
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: That I'm one of the "smartest guys" at the site? I'm an idiot, but I'm nowhere dumb as you, clearly. Well, your obviously a dick on top of an idiot and maybe you're not that smart. My bad. I guess I shoulda said (nonukes and cavediver), I apologise.
There has been some really good creationist contribution around here; why couldn't you pick some of that to celebrate? Why does it matter to you? If you feel there's been some good Creationist contributions then post it. If not, don't critisize my opinions as if they're wrong. That's why there OPINIONS crash. Geeesh. Smarten up will ya? Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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