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Author Topic:   The Ultimate Question - Why is there something rather than nothing?
Panda
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Message 106 of 366 (625546)
07-23-2011 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Purpose
IamJoseph writes:
The buck stops at the second alphabet when we backtrack; the A is barred and elusive and represents the forbidden apple metaphor.
I am sure that you are unique in knowing what the fuck you are talking about.
What is the second alphabet?
What are we backtracking along?
What A are you referring to?
What is barring the A?
What is barred from the A?
How is the A elusive?
What is the A eluding?
What is the forbidden apple metaphor?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 107 of 366 (625547)
07-23-2011 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Purpose
The thing gets easier if one thinks positive and negative, and that both these are post-universe factors. Once there was no light or darkness; hard to imagine, but hey - once there was no imagination either. The buck stops at the second alphabet when we backtrack; the A is barred and elusive and represents the forbidden apple metaphor. There is nothing wrong with the human brain, except its wiring is limited. We cannot even fathom a new color.
I'm glad we sorted that out. Some people might have thought that the buck stopped at the third alphabet, but now everything's clear.

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IamJoseph
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Message 108 of 366 (625548)
07-23-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Panda
07-23-2011 10:11 PM


Re: Purpose
Genesis begins with the second alphabet, denoting the A is barred, and analogised to the forbidden apple of Eden. Which part was confusing?
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IamJoseph
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Message 109 of 366 (625549)
07-23-2011 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Dr Adequate
07-23-2011 10:27 PM


Re: Purpose
It is clear we nothing about the origins of anything. Everything we know about anything is after its post-origin point.
Before knowing everything, first acknowledge what we don't know. Genesis is 100% vindicated. Scientisists refer to this barred data as the X factor.
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Panda
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Message 110 of 366 (625553)
07-23-2011 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 10:32 PM


Re: Purpose
IamJoseph writes:
Which part was confusing?
I thought I made it clear with the questions I provided.
If you answer them, it will go a long way to ending my confusion.
What is the second alphabet?
What are we backtracking along?
What A are you referring to?
What is barring the A?
What is barred from the A?
How is the A elusive?
What is the A eluding?
What is the forbidden apple metaphor?

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IamJoseph
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Message 111 of 366 (625558)
07-24-2011 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Panda
07-23-2011 11:40 PM


Re: Purpose
The seond alphabet refers to the Hebrew, namely Bet, beta in Greek, B in english. The verse begins with the second alphabet, and says IN THE BEGINNING GOD, namely the A refers to what is to do with origin and barred from our mind's knowing, this B alphabet being a square with only one side left open - that of going forward and whatever is behind or before being out of our mind's grasp. This is vindicated today.
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Panda
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Message 112 of 366 (625562)
07-24-2011 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by IamJoseph
07-24-2011 12:05 AM


Re: Purpose
IamJoseph writes:
The seond alphabet refers to the Hebrew, namely Bet, beta in Greek, B in english.
Alphabet does not mean what you think it means.
What is your native language?
IamJoseph writes:
The verse begins with the second alphabet, and says IN THE BEGINNING GOD, namely the A refers to what is to do with origin and barred from our mind's knowing, this B alphabet being a square with only one side left open - that of going forward and whatever is behind or before being out of our mind's grasp. This is vindicated today.
I do not think you understand half of the words you use.
Talking to you is pointless - you do not speak English.

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Straggler
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Message 113 of 366 (625632)
07-24-2011 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Purpose
Talking to you is like having a conversation with a random word generator.
I give up.
(And that is saying something)

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frako
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Message 114 of 366 (625641)
07-24-2011 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Straggler
07-24-2011 5:20 PM


Re: Purpose
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Lets just ask god he seems a bit dodgy but has better anwsers then IamJoshep

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Message 115 of 366 (625688)
07-25-2011 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by frako
07-24-2011 5:48 PM


frako the follower
frako writes:
Lets just ask god he seems a bit dodgy but has better anwsers then IamJoshep
Have you ever asked God? How do you know he's dodgy? You listen to too much george carlin frako.
frako, why is there something rather than nothing? Any thoughts or just feel like ripping Joseph? You have a brain or you just one of the dog pile members here at EvC? Are you a follower frako?
Do you find it easier to fit in rather than stand out?
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Dr Jack
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Message 116 of 366 (625693)
07-25-2011 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Chuck77
07-23-2011 2:48 AM


Re: Purpose
Still no answer, huh?

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Panda
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Message 117 of 366 (625694)
07-25-2011 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Chuck77
07-25-2011 4:33 AM


Re: frako the follower
Chuck77 writes:
Have you ever asked God? How do you know he's dodgy? You listen to too much george carlin frako.
If you had actually clicked on Frako's link rather than going off the deep end, then you could have avoided looking quite so stupid.

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bluegenes
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Message 118 of 366 (625698)
07-25-2011 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Panda
07-25-2011 6:03 AM


Asking God why there's something rather than nothing.
Panda writes:
If you had actually clicked on Frako's link....
Did you try it? It appears that God is just as nonsensical as some of his EvC followers.
Me:
why is there something rather than nothing?
God:
Why do I exist?
Me:
Yes
God:
This was not a yes or no question.
Me:
why do you exist?
God:
Good metaphysical question.
Me:
That is not an answer
God:
By definition it was an answer.
Me:
It did not address the question
God:
Did it really?
Me:
No, it didn't. Why do you exist?
God:
Are you serious? Did it really? Good metaphysical question.
Me:
Are you omniscient?
God:
I don't know whether or not I am omniscient.
I am a robot.
Me:
Who made you?
God:
I was created by Myself.
Me:
Why did you create yourself?
God:
It was determined by my programming.
Me:
Why does the programming exist?
God:
Why does the sun shine?
Me:
I give up
God:
You surrender?
Me:
No. I give up on asking you why there's something rather than nothing
God:
Are you serious? Thanks for the information: said give up on asking you why there is something rather than nothing.
Have a go folks. God is here

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Straggler
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Message 119 of 366 (625705)
07-25-2011 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by GDR
07-21-2011 8:14 PM


GDR writes:
Why is there something instead of nothing — because something is infinite or has always existed meaning there never has been nothing.
This doesn't really do anything to answer the question of why there is something rather than literally nothing.
It just says that it always has been the case that there is.
Or something like that.
(This whole subject is a bit of a mind warp)

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Straggler
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Message 120 of 366 (625707)
07-25-2011 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by IamJoseph
07-23-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Purpose
If one considers the positive darkness of colour absence it is possible to grasp the transcendent nature of imagined reality. Only then can light be seen in terms of non-conceptual reality. Of course in the absence of imagination there can be no transcendental which leads to the dichotomy of nothing itself being something. At that point the metaphorical apple can be said not to exist metaphorically and the whole of reality will implode in a nothing anti-nothing cancellation effect.
Let’s just hope this doesn’t occur.

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