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frako
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Message 46 of 52 (625183)
07-21-2011 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by fearandloathing
07-21-2011 3:36 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Yea those facts you braught up they would be better if they where in % relative to all the other MW they produce by coal....
USA 2687 3086 0.3%
Philippines 1969.7 1904 27%
Indonesia 992 1197 3.7%
Mexico 953 958 3%
Italy 810.5 843
New Zealand 471.6 628 10%
Iceland 421.2 575 30%
Japan 535.2 536 0.1%
El Salvador 204.2 204 14%
Kenya 128.8 167 11.2%
Costa Rica 162.5 166 14%
Turkey 38 94 0.3%
Nicaragua 87.4 88 10%
Russia 79 82
Papua-New Guinea 56 56
Guatemala 53 52
Portugal 23 29
China 27.8 24
France 14.7 16
Ethiopia 7.3 7.3
Germany 8.4 6.6
Austria 1.1 1.4
Australia 0.2 1.1
Thailand 0.3 0.3
TOTAL 9,731.9 10,709.7

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fearandloathing
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Message 47 of 52 (625187)
07-21-2011 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by frako
07-21-2011 5:30 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
I wasnt trying to do anything but put forth figures for geothermal, no comparison was ever intended,.... Your point was???

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frako
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Message 48 of 52 (625189)
07-21-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by fearandloathing
07-21-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Numbers lie % dont
its like saying i gave 100$ to charity today im a good man, while just last night i stole 10 000 $ from a granny the good deed i did dosent compare with the bad one. And it sounds less of a good thing if i say i gave 1% of the money i stole from a granny to charity.
In the lists case iceland gave 30% of the money it stole from the granny (power it produced in a nice green way) to charity while the US the one on top of your list only gave 0.3%

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fearandloathing
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Message 49 of 52 (625724)
07-25-2011 10:07 AM


Bump for lamjoseph
lamjoseph writes:
The future is also catered to with workable laws for humanity and how we can survive over population and diminished climactic conditions in the future.
Please explain?

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Taz
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Message 50 of 52 (625763)
07-25-2011 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by frako
07-21-2011 7:22 AM


Re: Giving them a chance.
frako writes:
I doubt that we are passed it i do think we are are very close to it though.
Technically, we are not passed the point of no return when the whole system will spiral out of control. But it takes too much political bullshit to stop it now. That's why I said we are passed the point of no return.
The only way we can stop the process before it hits the point of no return, all conservatives have to be raptured soon... like now or tomorrow. What are the chances of that happening?
Until then, we will continue to see conservative obstructionist political games to instill doubt in people's minds about these things.
So, when you factor in politics and people's will or unwillingness to change, we are way passed the point of no return. It really will take nothing short of a miracle to stop the process from going further.

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Taz
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Message 51 of 52 (625764)
07-25-2011 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Malvern
07-21-2011 4:00 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Malvern writes:
So, in your opinion Taz, are we just pissing on a forest fire with all this talk of CO2 capture and "reduced carbon footprint"?
It's not an opinion. It's a fact.
All this talk about reducing carbon footprint is nothing but a left wing political farce.
The real big bad boy is methane, which for millions of years have been trapped in the frozen tundra. Carbon can't actually tip the climate to change as drastically as has been predicted. It is referred to very often by people because it's easy to say in a minute's time. I wouldn't want to have to explain all of this to a lay person.
What all the carbon that we've been dumping into the atmosphere have been doing is causing the world average temperature to slightly increase over time. This slight increase is causing the glaciers to melt, releasing the real big bad boy, methane. As more and more methane are released, the green house effect gets worse.
In other words, climate change deniers are not lying when they say that our carbon footprints can't induce such a drastic change as scientists are predicting. They're right, carbon alone can't do the predicted damage. And in a debate, the average liberal tends to shut up because even he thinks it's the carbon that's doing the real damage.
Isn't ignorance great?
The best way to counter climate change deniers is to get the facts down to the detail. All this carbon foot print thing being a big deal is all political talk.
Added by edit.
The reason many of us believe climate change can't be stop like the CFC issue is because what's causing climate change exist in a wider spectrum than CFC. Back then, all they had to do was change to a different refrigarent chemical and voila CFC is abandoned.
Everything we do these days contribute to climate change. Even burning wood in the forest contributes to climate change. Farting contributes to climate change. Just about everything we do these days contribute to climate change. In order to stop climate change now, we need 2 things to happen:
(1) The rapture to occur! We need everyone like Buzsaw to go to heaven and leave us hell-bound sinners the hell alone.
(2) Everyone who got left behind must have the will to change. And this means less comfort with our modern lives.
Neither of these things are likely to happen.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
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Message 52 of 52 (625768)
07-25-2011 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Taz
07-25-2011 3:38 PM


Re: Giving them a chance.
Hi taz,
I just thought I would provide a little info on how much methane might be stored in the arctic and oceans.
quote:
WHAT do you get when you combine water and swamp gas under low temperatures and high pressures? You get a frozen latticelike substance called methane hydrate, huge amounts of which underlie our oceans and polar permafrost. This crystalline combination of a natural gas and water (known technically as a clathrate) looks remarkably like ice but burns if it meets a lit match.
Methane hydrate was discovered only a few decades ago, and little research has been done on it until recently. By some estimates, the energy locked up in methane hydrate deposits is more than twice the global reserves of all conventional gas, oil, and coal deposits combined. But no one has yet figured out how to pull out the gas inexpensively, and no one knows how much is actually recoverable. Because methane is also a greenhouse gas, release of even a small percentage of total deposits could have a serious effect on Earth's atmosphere.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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