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Is that one of those 'parody porn' films?
Can you provide a link?

So let's start: Shapiro says:" ecologically-triggered cell and genome restructurings produce organisms which, at some frequency, will possess novel adaptive features that suit the altered environment. Novel adaptive features can be complex from the beginning because they result from processes that operate on pre-existing functional systems, whose components can be amplified and rearranged in new combinations. Competition for resources (purifying selection) serves to eliminate those novel system architectures that are not functional in the new ecology;"This is the base of my ideas. environment affects genome. Any objections to above?

From your Shapiro quote: How is this any different than random mutations? The key phrase is "at some frequency". This indicates that these same processes also produce neutral and detrimental mutations. IOW, they are random with respect to fitness.

You mean how like there's some Natural Selection that weeds out different genomes that arrise through Random Mutations?By golly, I think you're on to something!

Oh for fuck sake!This will be the third time, you know?The environment affects evolution via the filter of NS. What has that got to do with you 'idea'?

Lets be fair now, I think by this point it should be clear to everyone that that isn't what Zi Ko means. What he means is that environmental factors affect the genome by actually causing mutations, or epimutations, and affecting the nature and prevalence of those mutations.This in and of itself is wholly uncontroversial, what is is the way he wants to parley this into mutation directed for non-random beneficial traits and even more so his belief that this has something to do with what he calls 'empathy'.TTFN,WK

Oh, I stopped being fair after I realized how pompous and conceited he was... sometime between my Message 101 and Message 235...They're just not worth being fair to. My time is much better spent laughing at them.

I think our difference is about defining "randomness".You didn't answer my question before. Is light's direction change by a crystal random or not? In my opinion it is not random as regards the crystal. In the same logic mutations are not random as regards life and fitness in consequence.
Existence of neutral or detrimental mutations does not cancell their nonrandomness, as they all are simply byproducts of nature's forced walk to life and fitness
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This is what BELIEVERS of Modern Synthesis think of.There are other opinions as well. Stop being just a follower and be a thinker.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you. Empathy is a type of information. So, it must be accepted, it can act on genome at least in the same way as other information staff idoes.
Furthermore as it acts on the same senario and on the same part of genome over long periods of time, maby millions of years, i think has a more profound effect on genome. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.

There is not a shred of evidence for any of these claims, nor any conceivable mechanism by which such a process might occur. You also make the mistake of assuming that because some environmental influences, which for the sake of argument we might call 'information', can affect the genome through mutation then all forms of information can, but there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case.TTFN,WK

Not all opinions are equal.Yours about empathy, for example are of no more value than my own on quantum physics.As in, I fined the subject fascinating and know a lot of what the words mean, but for me to expect a cosmologist to give any credence to my opinion that dose'nt have any plausibility at all would be foolish and arrogant, in the extreme.

I quote:
SCIENCE NEWS"DNA Repair Under Stress
Evolution News & Views June 27, 2011 6:00 AM | Permalink
DNA repair mechanisms are a re-occurring topic here at Evolution, News, and Views because scientists are constantly uncovering layers of complexity and integration within the DNA repair system that seem to defy any notions of having developed by a random, step-by-step process. DNA repair systems behave as if a command center has notified the cell of damage to DNA, and then the cell dispatches the appropriate units for the particular job at a particular location. So not only is the "double strand" team or the "nucleotide replacement" team dispatched when needed, but the team that would be the most efficient job for the particular cause of damage is dispatched. Another way to think of it is a basketball coach who knows exactly what player to put in not only for a particular play, but against a particular opponent"If this is the case and empathy, among others, but mainly transfers stress related information, is it impropable to infer the importance of it to evolution?

Iquote:"Introduction
by David Dobbs
Editor, Mind Matters
Do animals feel empathy? This question could draw scoffing dismissal from many scientists only a few decades ago. Now it receives marvelously productive attention in neuroscience, psychology, and the burgeoning field of neuroethology. Below, two leaders in these fields, Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal and University of Chicago neurobiologist Peggy Mason, review both the history of animal studies of empathy and a particularly thought-provoking recent mouse study from the McGill University lab of Jeffrey Mogil. As de Waal and Mason note, this clever study holds surprises about both the baseline and the limitations of empathy in these small, "simple" rodents. One can't read these reviews without seeing one's own empathetic capacities and limitations in a new light".
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God forgive me but I can see where you are coming from. What you seem to be saying is that when an organism in under a selective pressure there is a 'change' in the 'rate' of evolution and another organism can acquire a like 'change' through some information channel that you are calling empathy.Am I right?