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The first life

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10-23-2003 10:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 4 by NosyNed
10-23-2003 10:27 PM

Re: *smacks self in head*
That is well and good for God to scuttle into dark corners.It gives us a chance to light candles and avoid the cursing.
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10-24-2003 10:09 PM

I wanted throw in a question about abiogenesis that is left out in all the debate here.Just exactly how would we know it if we did come across it?Is the life form that began animal and plant life necessarily the same one that would present itself since the conditions for that life form are no longer present in the enviroment of modern times?
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10-25-2003 12:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Coragyps
10-24-2003 10:48 PM

Ok let us work on this.With abiogenesis should we be
looking for the combination of non living chemicals that under the right conditions that produced life forms in ancient atmospheres we are familiar with or hypthosize a different set of chemicals with which we could produce life under any given definition of such in the enviroment we exist in today?
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10-25-2003 2:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Quetzal
10-25-2003 5:58 AM

Yes I do agree with that however what I am curious about is if it is resonable to take what we know about the possible "soup" that formed life under ancient atmospheres and see if we can alter the chemistry of the "soup" such that life could be formed in todays atmosphere.This would serve two purposes one it would bolster the idea of abiogenesis beyond reproach (although creationists could just then say that we didn't use an ancient atmosphere) and it would give us a bridge into those realms that lie on either side of life/non life.We could perhaps establish the physics required for the bridge?
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10-25-2003 2:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Joralex
10-25-2003 9:52 AM

Re: *smacks self in head*
Hey Joralex
I want to propose that you check out this site and stick with it to see how science actually percieves the relationships in the world and how we use mathematics to extend our understanding.
Most of all I would like to see you catch hold of the Platimun Plover Egg.LOL http://www.explorepdx.com/feynman.html
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Let me know what you think,okay?
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10-26-2003 11:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Quetzal
10-26-2003 1:55 AM

Well I am betting we can get a huge dose of help from the exploration of Jupiters moon Europa.
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