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Author | Topic: Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
"SCIENCE NEWS
DNA Repair Under Stress Evolution News & Views June 27, 2011 6:00 AM | Permalink DNA repair mechanisms are a re-occurring topic here at Evolution, News, and Views because scientists are constantly uncovering layers of complexity and integration within the DNA repair system that seem to defy any notions of having developed by a random, step-by-step process. DNA repair systems behave as if a command center has notified the cell of damage to DNA, and then the cell dispatches the appropriate units for the particular job at a particular location. So not only is the "double strand" team or the "nucleotide replacement" team dispatched when needed, but the team that would be the most efficient job for the particular cause of damage is dispatched. Another way to think of it is a basketball coach who knows exactly what player to put in not only for a particular play, but against a particular opponent" If this is the case and empathy as it is known transfers mainly stress, is it dificult to understand the importance of empathy to evolution? Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Thanks for the copy+paste about DNA repair.
I am sure that you feel it is relevant to reproduction and inheritance, but that is not apparent from the article you quoted. Anyway: back to the question I am having to repeat... Please explain why we should not be investigating the other unevidenced forms of information transfer (e.g. loneliness, beauty and concentration), which I proposed in the post you are replying to.
zi ko writes:
Empathy, as it is known by me, transfers all emotions - and stress is only a small part of that wide spectrum of feelings. empathy as it is known transfers mainly stressCan you explain why you think that empathy transfers mainly stress. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Did you just paste the same quote in two threads?
For shame, zi ko, for shame.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2961 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
Taq writes:
The way I picture it, I could help clarify any questions you have as it relates to the methods and results sections. Before we can have any fruitful discussion you need to understand what each of the figures/tables are saying and how the authors got that data. Hi Taq. I have read and reread the "Materials and Methods" section and the "Results" section and I am not really going to discuss those sections with you.In my opinion I would need at least a Bachelors degree in biolog to intelligently discuss those sectons and most likely a Doctorate. I do believe I can talk about the Abstract and Discusion sections where the authors set forth what they believe the work they have done demonstrates.I can also discuss what I interpret those opinions to mean for the theory of evolution. Sorry.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I am talking about animal empathy role in helping them in their strugle to survive. Animals not bother so much about beuty, loneliness or concentration. This type of information does not relate as directly to survival as loss of food, danger, theatening physical environmental changes. This is the main type of information which is transferred to genome.
Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
No information is transferred to the genome by empathy. As most animals do not have theory of mind there is a very strong argument that most animals do not experience empathy.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
zi ko writes:
Clearly you have never looked after an animal. Animals not bother so much about beuty, loneliness or concentration.Loneliness adversely affects many many animals. But don't worry - I realise that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Loneliness adversely affects many many animals. This remark shows how much you have misunderstood me.Empathy is a hard wired mechanism in neural system. It can transfer any information animal itself feels necessary and mainly what it useful for his survival. It it isn't for us to decide what this information will it be. It could be loneniless. Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
As most animals do not have theory of mind there is a very strong argument that most animals do not experience empathy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------As it is just an argument we can continue our conversation. Don't forget that empathy is a hard wired mechanism in neural system. And as you know this must mean something, as nature doesn't make useless things. Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
If you do not have a theory of mind you cannot by definition experience empathy.
This is basic stuff any psychology undergraduate knows.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
The rodents of Frans DE WAAL do they have theory of nind?
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Admin Director Posts: 13037 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Hi Zi Ko,
I think that's enough about empathy in this thread. This thread is about information's role in evolution, and you've been given ample opportunity to define information and explain how it is related to empathy. If you'd like to discuss empathy further, please take it to your Free For All thread, New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution..
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Oh great, another scientist co-opted in place of making a coherent argument of your own.
Could you maybe be a bit more specific about what rodent research you are attributing to Frans De waal? Most of his more recent research has been in primates. TTFN, WK
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The rodents of Frans DE WAAL do they have theory of nind? No.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Empathy as atype of information has the same mechanism on affecting genome as other information staff does, as Shapiro has shown.
So please describe this mechanism and how information is involved. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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