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Author Topic:   Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture?
shadow71
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Message 140 of 192 (626115)
07-27-2011 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Larni
07-16-2011 11:58 AM


Re: I need clear answers
Larni writes:
You say you are not a biologist and yet you want people to take you seriously?
I don't get why you think your armchair philosophising has any likely hood of getting any traction in biological circles when biologists on this very site are telling you your ideas and bollocks.
This line of reasoning limits this board to contributions by scientists only. Why have a debate board limited to persons of one discpline.
The reason, I a layman, cite authority for my positions is that I do not have the scientific training to reply to many scientific points.
However, I can read what other scientists say and use them as authority for my position.
It is not armchair philosphy, it is opinions based upon the knowledge of experts in the field, cited to support our opinions.

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shadow71
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From: Joliet, il, USA
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Message 143 of 192 (626215)
07-27-2011 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Taq
07-27-2011 11:17 AM


Re: I need clear answers
taq writes:
The other problem you seem to have is that you insert your own ideas into what the scientists are actually saying. That is why a knowledge of the data that underpins their conclusions is important. It removes this bias. You lack this knowledge.
I would be more than willing to help share my knowledge in this arena. My suggestion is that we all dissect a paper by Barbara Wright (this one). Would you be willing to walk through this paper with me?
Yes I would. I have down loaded the paper, I like to read, highlight, and digest before I comment.
What protocol do you suggest in walking through the paper?

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shadow71
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From: Joliet, il, USA
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Message 169 of 192 (626812)
07-31-2011 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Taq
07-27-2011 8:36 PM


Re: I need clear answers
Taq writes:
The way I picture it, I could help clarify any questions you have as it relates to the methods and results sections. Before we can have any fruitful discussion you need to understand what each of the figures/tables are saying and how the authors got that data.
Hi Taq. I have read and reread the "Materials and Methods" section and the "Results" section and I am not really going to discuss those sections with you.
In my opinion I would need at least a Bachelors degree in biolog to intelligently discuss those sectons and most likely a Doctorate.
I do believe I can talk about the Abstract and Discusion sections where the authors set forth what they believe the work they have done demonstrates.
I can also discuss what I interpret those opinions to mean for the theory of evolution.
Sorry.

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