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Nuggin
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Message 330 of 377 (626717)
07-31-2011 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by IamJoseph
07-30-2011 11:25 PM


The world is not limited to your ignorance
The other problem is that negating creationism does not prove anything, and I know of no scientific alternatives to it
Thankfully what you know has absolutely nothing to do with reality.
The educated are not limited by your lack of knowledge.

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Nuggin
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Message 332 of 377 (626733)
07-31-2011 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 331 by IamJoseph
07-31-2011 3:03 AM


Re: The world is not limited to your ignorance
1. That the universe is finite.
It's not.
2. That the universe is based on laws.
It's not.
3. That light was the first entity.
It wasn't and in fact has never been.
4. That an array of actions anticipated life.
Also didn't happen.
5. That the first grouping of life forms [species] is recorded in Genesis.
Not only is species not a part of Genesis, the "kinds" mentioned there are also not valid.
6. That evolution is first recorded in Genesis.
No, it wasn't.
7. That the oldest names of humans are recorded in Genesis.
Also wrong. There are writings which pre-date Genesis. The Epic of Gilgamesh for example.
8. That the DAY & WEEK were introduced in Genesis.
Also wrong. The Babylonians had days and weeks recorded before Genesis was written.
9. That all laws of the judiciary, ethicality, human rights, animal rights, women's rights, separation of religion and state - are contained in the Hebrew bible - exclusively.
Extremely wrong. Wrong in the sense that what's in the Bible even REMOTELY addresses these rights. Wrong in the sense that there is separation. And EXTREMELY wrong in the sense that any of this is exclusive to the Bible.
10. The first alphabetical book is the Hebrew bible.
Also no, Sumerians had writing before the Bible was written.
11. The oldest active calendar and the most accurate is the Hebrew calendar.
I think the Chinese would dispute that.
12. That the history of a host of nations which do not exist anymore, their locations, beliefs, customs are recorded exclusively in the Hebrew bible. [e.g. the Philistines; Abraham; Moabites, Medianites, etc]
While THOUSANDS more are not recorded. Meanwhile the Incas had recordings of cultures not mentioned in the Bible.
13. That no ancient writings have more archeological proof than the Hebrew bible.
There is no archaeological proof for any magical event recorded in the Bible.
There is only archaeological evidence that the locations in which the authors decided to set their story were existing places.
This is also true of Troy. There's PLENTY of archaeological proof for Troy and therefore the Trojan War.
By your standard, that means there's proof for the entire Greek pantheon which disproves the Jew's claim to one true god.
Basically, you've presented a long list of errors based on your assumption that if an author writes "this is the first thing that happened" then whatever paper he wrote that on is the oldest recording ever.
Not even close to being true.

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Nuggin
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Message 343 of 377 (626777)
07-31-2011 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 333 by IamJoseph
07-31-2011 5:07 AM


Re: The world is not limited to your ignorance
Show something expanding which is not finite.
The Universe.
Your succinct response defies the law of gravity.
Are you suggesting that the law of gravity is an unbreakable rule of the Universe which can never be avoided under any circumstances?
Denial is not a scientific response. The age of the universe is measured by its light.
The fact that we can see light does not mean that light is an "entity". You measure EVERYTHING by light. You measure time by light when you look at a clock. You measure height by light when you look at a ruler. You measure heat by light when you look at a thermometer.
We measure the Universe by light because we are looking at it, not because the Universe is "made of light".
Was water not separated from land prior to life?
Water is not separated from land at all. Show me where on Earth water does not touch land.
Vegetation; water borne; air borne fowl; land based animals; speech endowed humans. 'Kinds' are validated and vindicated as the first record of life form groupings. You loose.
First, your claim is that kinds = species. That's false. Second, the Bible is not the first place didn't "kinds" of animals are recorded. Cave paintings clearly show different animals and predate the Bible by 2-3X the entire age of the Earth (going by your Bible count).
Life form groupings emerged via following their kind, as per the host seed output - this is vindicated in our midst without any impact of the time factor. Evolution fails without the host.
Saying that Creationism is evolution is not evolution. It's just you being pathetic.
Your history is worse than your science. The name Adam is 5771 years. Gilgamesh is post Abraham.
The earliest fragment of Genesis is from ~100 AD.
Epic of Gilgamesh is ~ 700 BC.
Nice try though.
The babs and Egyptians never had calendars - they used hour glasses and moons.
You are claiming that Babylonians never had calendars, and your reasoning is that they used the moon.
What do you think a calendar is? Why do you think we call them "Months" (MOONths).
Look, I get it, you are REQUIRED to *** for Jesus otherwise you have to sacrifice a baby or something. Just pick lies that do make you look so f(@king ***.
Today's Gregorian comes from the Hebrew calendar,
SUNday, MOONday, ODENSday, THORSday, FRYSDAY, SATURNSDAY -- does ANY of that sound REMOTELY JEWISH to you?
How about the clearly LATIN month names? Or the months named after JULIUS and AUGUSTUS Caesar?
Your claims are LAUGHABLE.
Read again. Although there were basic laws [NOT TO MURDER; STEAL; etc] prior to the Hebrew, the laws we follow in today's institutions are seen only in the Hebrew bible's 613 laws. No other ancient documents list animal rights, for example, or that it is forbidden to judge by hearing one arty's side only.
Fail. Our legal system is based on Roman law. We do not have laws prohibiting the consumption of shell fish. We do not have laws prohibiting the wearing of clothing without tassels. CLEARLY our legal system is not based on the Jews.
There are no Sumerian alphabetical BOOKS, namely a multi-page continueing narrative. Name one?
Oh, so you want "pages"? Show me an ancient copy of Genesis which is in a book? You can't. Even the MODERN Torah is not "pages". It's ONE PAGE rolled up.
Wow, you just don't know a thing about any of this do you?
While the Chinese and Indian are older, there is no calendar, chinese or Indian 5700 years old and active today. Period.
The fact that you admit that the Chinese are old than the Jews means that your entire argument FAILS at the start. If God made the JEWS ONLY, where the F did the Chinese come from?
I have only relied on recent archeological proof with back up relics. I have not presented any scriptures as proof.
Again, you are saying that proof that a city existed is evidence that a story about that city is true. That's not a valid claim.
I can prove archaeologically that London exists. Does that make Harry Potter real?

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Nuggin
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 346 of 377 (626801)
07-31-2011 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by Larni
07-31-2011 10:16 AM


Re: The world is not limited to your ignorance
Clouds?
Sorry, couldn't resist it.
Haha I know. But, you gotta remember, we're talking about the Bible. No clouds could have existed until after the Great Flood since rainbows didn't exist.
That means either water was never in the air before then -or- water was completely opaque -or- light didn't refract at all so the world was in black and white (not grey even).

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Nuggin
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Message 349 of 377 (627192)
08-01-2011 10:08 AM


More than a little unfair
I would like to point out that it is more than a little unfair to expect Iamjoseph to stay on topic in a thread asking for evidence for a myth.
Obviously since it's make believe, there's not going to be any real evidence.
We all know that. Hell, even Joseph knows that. If he didn't, he'd be trying to present actual evidence rather than randomly quoting stuff out of the Bible.
The more I think about it, the more unfair the whole site seems.
Instead of EVC shouldn't it be RVF? Reality vs Fantasy forums?

  
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