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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I'm not clear on what you are saying. Sorry. As there (are) not(evidences) for many concepts in science (f.e about randoness in mutations).
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
The article is talking about specific cellular stresses, this is in no way the same thing as emotional stress. Obviously there is an analogy between these states.
The article also seems to be from the Intelligent Design site Evolution News & Views and the language is heavily skewed to a subjective interpretation from that perspective, which explains why their argument about a specified system being unable to evolve through random evolution makes no sense. Idon't bother about their interpretations, but the article treats the matter seriously and is in accord with other scientists (Shapiro, Wright ect)Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
If you had a really compelling analogy then you might even go as far as to predict the existence of a previously unrecognised feature of one of the systems, but in the absence of evidence it would only be speculation.
I have never said I have any evidence. In any case i am not qualified for this. and i don't believe it could ever be found.
You also make the mistake of assuming that because some environmental influences, which for the sake of argument we might call 'information', can affect the genome through mutation then all forms of information can, but there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case. Untill there will be any evidence that it doesn't happen ,any body can believe it could. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
There is a strong analogy between the two states. As there is no evidence against my ideas i can keep them , can't I?
As i keep saying all the time, I wholly accept shapiro's findings, relating to one cell organisms.. So what is the reason to relate them with my ideas? My empathy and neural system conceptions are applied to multicellular organisms, where Shapiro work stops.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
We usually need evidence before we believe something. You seem to forget that the hypothesis of random mutations is a null hypothesis.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Until you have evidence FOR your ideas there is no reason for people to take them seriously, is there? So why random mutations ,being a null hypothesis, do you take it seriously?
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Do you even understand what a null hypothesis is?
Certainly not... Only that it can't be evidenced. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Also, we have presented the evidence for random mutations. You have not presented any evidence for your ideas. So which do you think we accept? I don't remember you having brought any evidence. I have stated repeatedly there is not any evidence about empathy and propably it could never be. Also I remember you didn't answer my question about randomness or not of light changing direction when passing through crystal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I quote from wikipedia:
It is important to understand that the null hypothesis can never be proven. Your data can only reject a null hypothesis or fail to reject it. For example, if comparison of two groups (eg: treatment, no treatment) reveals no statistically significant difference between the two, it does not mean that there is no difference in reality. It only means that you do not have enough evidence to reject the null hypothesis (in other words, you fail to reject the null hypothesis).[5] Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
The Ledergerg and Luria-Delbruck Experiments show only that "random" mutations exist, not that directed ones don't exist.
In a broad sense there aren't random mutations in relation to life and consequently to fitness, as these mutations in their "randomnes" serve life's existence This the reason why these exist. As light passing through a crystal obeys a natural law, so do mutations.They follow some laws. Here is the analogy. Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I n view that many times i have been misunderstood, i think i must clear up my position regarding evolution-randomness:
Life can make use of randomness for its purpose, by filling a gap in its try to percervance with this mechanism, amongst others, e.g directed or semidirected mutations,derepression,engineering systems, DNA restructurion by slicing, horizontal transportation,e.c.t. Detrimental mutations prove that nature-life has not a strict predetemined line of evolution, but it is a continous try and error process in which information from environment, logical use of resources, in a frame restricted and guided by physical laws, and chance are all used. So in a broad sense randomess is not really random.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Just a few posts ago you were claiming there was no evidence for random mutations so I guess this represents progress of a sort. I said there is no evidence of random mutations , not that they don't exist.
Including the ones that render an animal infertile or produce embryos which will never develop into a viable organism?
Yes.I n view that many times i have been misunderstood, i think i must clear up my position regarding evolution-randomness: Life can make use of randomness for its purpose, by filling a gap in its try to percervance with this mechanism, amongst others, e.g directed or semidirected mutations,derepression,engineering systems, DNA restructurion by slicing, horizontal transportation,e.c.t. Detrimental mutations prove that nature-life has not a strict predetemined line of evolution, but it is a continous try and error process in which information from environment, logical use of resources, in a frame restricted and guided by physical laws, and chance are all used. So in a broad sense randomess is not really random. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Sorry i have to repeat myself.
Information had been already adequately proven by others that , when is essential to survival, it affects genome (I MEAN DIRECTLY NOT THROUGH SELECTION). Empathy is type of information, so by inference it can affect genome. Do i have to prove it again? Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
Empathy is type of information, so by inference it can affect genome. Do i have to prove it again? You haven't proven it once, not even close. You have certainly claimed it ad nauseam but that isn't the same thing at all. Your supposedly logical inference is radically flawed. I will try again.Information(as its meaning is usually accepted) it it has been proven that it affects genome. Do i have to prove it again? Empathy as being a type of information,in cases being essential to survival , one can suppose rightly i think, it can affect genome. Does it make sense? Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3646 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
I said there is no evidence of random mutations , not that they don't exist I already showed you the evidence. Do we need to go through it again? The question is "random in relation to what?"I quote: Even mutations are, as a matter of fact, non-random in various senses, ...... For example, mutations have well-understood physical causes, and to this extent they are non-random. ... the great majority of mutations, however caused, are random with respect to quality, and that means they are usually bad because there are more ways of getting worse than of getting better. [Dawkins 1996:70-71] Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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