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AZPaul3
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Message 182 of 389 (623841)
07-13-2011 10:32 PM


Singularity
Al, Joseph,
You do know what the "singularity" is, do you not?
When we use our theories to run the universe backward we come to a period just a small split second after the "beginning" where our theories break down. They cannot show us what the universe was or what it looked like from that point back.
We cannot say, and so you cannot say, what the attributes of this period were (called the singularity only because it needs some name so we can have conversations about it), what rules or laws applied or did not apply or what conditions, energies, temperatures, or anything else about this "thing" were. It is a period of total ignorance for us.
To keep so much motion so densely compressed and confined in so little volume or rather an absence of volume would imply application of a terrible force. Here is the problem. The laws of physics as they stand do not allow anything like that.
Since the known "laws of physics" do not apply neither do your conclusions.
Thus, if the BBT is based on a ONE singular, indivisible, irreducible entity, with nothing else yet existing at the initiation point - it cannot expand or go BOOM! No action can occur here.
The Big Bang Theory is not based on the singularity but on the periods of our knowledge well after the singularity period. Your assumption is faulty and thus so is your conclusion.
Edited by AZPaul3, : In bold changed "before" to "after". Thanks for the correction, Moose.

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Message 184 of 389 (623846)
07-13-2011 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by IamJoseph
07-13-2011 11:08 PM


Re: Singularity
Don't know where to start.
This is what I referred to as escapist, novel manipulation; it is senseless and has no reasoning behind it - it cannot refer to majestic laws because it is not specifically conducive to anything as its resultant subsequence.
What a overwhelming dump of nonsensical BS. Apparently English is not your native, nor foreign, language.
And the rest of this slop of indecipherable garbage is not worth the effort to attempt any kind of translation even if we had some kind of rosetta stone.
I think I'll pass on this one.

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Message 222 of 389 (628220)
08-07-2011 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Doctor Witch
08-06-2011 4:00 PM


Colliding Branes
I was wondering if there is a direct comparison to Big Bang.
The colliding branes of M-Theory do not contradict or replace Big Bang. It is an attempt to suggest how the Big Bang happened.
This might help.

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Message 248 of 389 (630098)
08-22-2011 11:39 AM
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08-22-2011 10:56 AM


Virtual Begat Virtual?
I'm trying to recall where, but as I understand there are two solutions in QFT that give rise to virtual particles. One gives the spontaneous creation/annihilation of pairs and the other gives the creation/annihilation of pairs from the disturbances of neighboring virtual events.
So, yes, virtual pairs may indeed be caused by disturbances (prior virtual pair creation/annihilation) in the force (spacetime).
You may in fact be right and didn't need the smiley after all!

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Message 250 of 389 (630100)
08-22-2011 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by Larni
08-22-2011 11:31 AM


I don't want to kiss off a god!
Some people just have no appreciation for the work of others.
Look at what he made in 6 days. An entire beautiful universe.
Can you imagine what he would have made given the whole pre-universe eternity?
Must be one hell of a place!
All that effort and you really don't want to go see?

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Message 297 of 389 (631421)
08-31-2011 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 7:21 PM


No Sense Whatsoever!
Take a singular item.
OK. I'll take a lima bean.
Place it in a bowl of soup ...
Done.
oops, there is bowl or soup!
No. There is a bowl with soup in it and now with a lima bean as well.
Damn thing is a singularity with nothing else around. Darn - not even an observer in sight!
What the hell you talking about? It's a bowl of soup with a lima bean in it! What singularity? I don't see any singularity. I see my bowl of soup with a lima bean floating on top!
Not do you see why only a universe maker makes the only scientific sense here ...
This has nothing to do with my bowl of soup or the lima bean!
or does not still not make any sense at all?
No, it doesn't. What does any of this have to do with the Big Bang or my bowl of soup?
You are not making any sense at all!

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Message 308 of 389 (631451)
09-01-2011 5:54 AM
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08-31-2011 11:52 PM


Re: No Sense Whatsoever!
A lima bean is inadmissable as a singularity.
And what is admissible as a singularity? Do you even know what a "singularity" is, Joe, the kind of "singularity" we reference in the Big Bang and Black Holes? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

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