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nator
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Message 32 of 274 (62879)
10-26-2003 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Niw
10-25-2003 10:30 AM


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As a businessman knowing a race likes/dislikes would also be useful as I can target my product specifically or the majority of them to make the most profit.
Races of people don't have likes/dislikes.
Cultural groups have likes/dislikes which are in any way useful to businesspeople.

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nator
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Message 201 of 274 (86635)
02-16-2004 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by steelspring1
02-16-2004 8:47 AM


I noticed that you didn't actually substantively address crashfrog's response to your claims. You are expressing only incredulity but are providing no good reason why we should see things your way.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 216 of 274 (86932)
02-17-2004 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by crashfrog
02-16-2004 8:26 PM


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What, you don't think Lenny Kravitz can rock?
...or that Eric Clapton or Stevie Ray Vaughn can't sing the blues?
...or that Eminem or the Beastie Boys can't rap?
...or that Marian Anderson can't sing opera?
...or that Jimi Hendrix couldn't rock?
...or Chuck Barry, a black man, wasn't one of the ORIGINATORS of rock n roll?

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 217 of 274 (86933)
02-17-2004 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by steelspring1
02-16-2004 11:17 AM


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It is not in my character to force someone to accept my claims.
Don't worry, you can't force anyone to do anything.
What I am asking for is any good reason, a fact-based, rather than opinion-based reason, to consider what you are saying as valid.
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A diaphony can be a good start for an interesting discussion.
As about substantively addressing, everybody can read meanings behind the words .
Assume we can't "read meanings behind words."
Be very clear, and please directly address the comments and rebuttals to your claims.
Ignoring evidence that contradicts your opinion is bad form, and so is repeating your original claims without additional evidence.
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But OK. Let me go more clear.
I am a racist.
It means that i discern differences and distinctiveness between races in physical and mental - spiritual levels.
Really? You can discern differences in mental and spiritual aspects of races?
Based upon what studies and surveys do you say this?
Please provide a link to this evidence.
Also, can you please list for us all of the different races on the planet and the differences in mental ability and spiritualness (?) between them?
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All those characteristics make the different races look the way they look , conduct to an individual cultural and social formation , and an individual civilizational evolution.
So, how would you expect a Nigerian child who is adopted by a family in Norway, to act, mentally and spiritually, according to your claims that race determines these factors?
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Crashfrog`s position , is that some accidental factors act Biogeographically forming some differences .
Stopping there , is like we apologize "don`t blame me , blame the invironment".
Ah, the old "nature vs. Nurture" concept. Well, please address my hypothetical scenario above.
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In addition , saying that all people have melanin , skin, teeth , is a very general and we describe nothing.
Well, all people do have melanin, skin, and teeth. Except those with albinism. They don't have any melanin.
The thing is, you are not only describing the characteristics of different ethnic groups.
You are making these vague, unsupported claims of "mental and spiritual" differences between as-yet-unstated racial groups.
It's great to claim stuff, but now you have to show what evidence you base this claim upon.
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There is something more important . The consciousness of the race , the C.of the common blood origin.
Please define "conciousness of race".

"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."

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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 218 of 274 (86938)
02-17-2004 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by steelspring1
02-16-2004 7:29 PM


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I thing USA imports wheat from Siberia.
Is it impossible for wheat or similar cereal to grow in Mongolia and possible in Siberia?
I couldn't find any government info about the US importing wheat from Siberia, but you are correct that wheat is cultivated in those parts of the world.
However, the growing of wheat is a modern industry there. The native people were nomads, not farmers.
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What eat 100s of 1.000s of horses in Mongolia ? Some similar plants i think.
Horses graze on the grass of the steppes. Remember that the Mongol horses are actually more like tough, hardy ponies. The Huns once ruled most of the world, you know. It was the stirrups (that they invented and everyone then copied) that made them such a formidable cavalry.
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Races made the Civilizations .
Technology has almost nothing to do with Civilization
Please support your statement with any kind of evidence.
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T. has to do with the technical aplications .
I do not understand, please be more clear.
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C. has to do with the way of thinking and culture.
Please explain how technology is not part of "way of thinking" and "culture".
For example, please explain how the discovery and use of gunpowder to make weapons of war did not affect the "way of thinking" and "culture" of the Chinese?
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To be proud of being an American is a duty.
Um, no it isn't.
The only duty of being an American, as I see it, is to participate in the democratic process to make sure the government doesn't become too powerful.
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I always respect people that have the sense of the Nation they belong.
What does national pride have to do with race??
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USA i think is somekind of a Mother Nation contaning many Daughter nationalities .
The only native people here were probably nomads from mongolia that crossed a land bridge 30,000 years ago or so. Long after that, Scandinavian and European explorers and settlers arrived, and then recently, many immigrants from all over the world.
Really, no people originated here. Humans originated in Africa.
Much deleted due to incoherence.
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White races make the hard rock
Black races make the Blues
Other Black races make the Reggae
One European race makes the fandango
One other makes the Opera
And one other makes the Judo and the Haiku(recently also makes Nissan and many more..)
No, you are not talking about races. You are talking about cultures and ethnic groups.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 221 of 274 (87057)
02-17-2004 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by nator
02-17-2004 8:58 AM


Steelspring1, do you plan to respond to my specific questions or not?

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 229 of 274 (87387)
02-18-2004 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by steelspring1
02-17-2004 4:35 PM


OK, you are having a difficult time staying on topic.
This is a topic about race, and if they exist.
The most imortant of my questions asked you to list for us all of the different races of the world and what physical, (but most importantly)mental and spiritual aspects are characteristic of each race on the list.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 230 of 274 (87388)
02-18-2004 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Phat
02-18-2004 4:26 PM


Re: Humans were created, then affected.
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I think that if there is anything about a human being that is unique apart from being a mere highly evolved animal then I think that at some point in our past, we became intellectual enough to talk with God. To comprehend God. To commune with God.
Actually, I think what happened first was that we became intellectual enough to wonder where stuff comes from, where it goes, and to start to attempt to make sense of the confusing world around us.
This would include trying to deal with the unique, human condition among all animals of knowing ahead of time that we are going to die, and fearing the unknown.
I think that the drive to "figure stuff out", combined with the fear and confusion inspired by a difficult struggle for existence, and particularly of not knowing what happens when we die, led us to invent supernatural entities.
Basically belief in the supernatural is a comfort to most people; "there is a God who loves me and a heaven to go to when I die." Religion is a form of community and also a way of imposing social control, which is another reason it would have proliferated evolutionarily. Groups are more powerful and safer than individuals.
Anyway, I'm off topic here, but this is my response.

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