Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,863 Year: 4,120/9,624 Month: 991/974 Week: 318/286 Day: 39/40 Hour: 5/6


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Do Christians Worship Different Gods?
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 3 of 286 (629666)
08-19-2011 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
08-18-2011 11:25 PM


Saved or Not?
GDR writes:
1/ Am I as a Christian worshiping a different God than the God as worshipped by a fundamentalist Christian?
Well, you tell us. Are you? If you're worshipping the God of the Bible and have met Him personally just tell us, and we will know.
We all have the same Father who are born again, that is what binds us together. Do you feel you are a brother with all the believers who claim Jesus as Lord? The spirit testifys in us when we meet other believers. Same spirit dwells in us.
Do you know Him personally? Have you truly been saved? Have you been born again? Did you recieve Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? Did you repent of your sins and place then all at the foot of the cross? Did the Holy spirit seal you as a child of God?
The God of the OT is the exact same God as the NT. Same God, different covenant. The same holy spirit that inspired the NT writers inspired the OT writers. There is no seperating the OT and the NT. They all work together leading to Jesus's fullfilment of the law.
2/ What effect do these two different views of the Christian God have on our world view as individuals today?
No one really cares about the Chriatian God in this world. "We" Chritians are a minority. Who in the world in truly born again? Less than half of 1% IMO.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13,14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Thw world could care less about God.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by GDR, posted 08-18-2011 11:25 PM GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 4 by jar, posted 08-19-2011 9:40 AM Chuck77 has not replied
 Message 6 by GDR, posted 08-19-2011 10:57 AM Chuck77 has replied

  
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 30 of 286 (630039)
08-22-2011 4:40 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by GDR
08-19-2011 10:57 AM


Re: Saved or Not?
GDR writes:
This is a view of Christianity that troubles me. IMHO you have twisted the message of Jesus 180 degrees away from what He preached. You make it all about "me".
Ok, well, Jesus actually did come here to die for "me". So, yeah, it kinda is about us now isn't it? If not then who did Jesus actually come here and die a brutal death on the cross for?
Have I been saved - have I been born again etc. It then all becomes all about me and my salvation. The message of Jesus is that we are to take the focus off of ourselves and put it on others. It is to forsake selfish love and embrace unselfish love.
I don't follow. What do you mean? Jesus, again, came here for us because we needed a savoir. Yet, you think Jesus came here for Himself?
That is dead wrong. The western world has been largely formed by its Judeo-Christian roots.
That's fine, just do me a favor. Next time you go to work take a poll of all the born again Bible believing followers of Christ at your job, report back with results.
Chuck77 writes:
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13,14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
GDR writes:
That can fit any theology you want it to
Huh? It's a quote from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Himself talking about the road to life or death. What are YOU talking about?
Actually the vast majority of the world cares very much about God, but not necessarily your particular view of who He is.
Yeah, I know. Im talking about the God of the Bible, the one TRUE God. Who are you talking about?
Listen, there are enough atheists here to argue with you if you even slightly believe in anything remotley outside of the norm. Im not here to bag on guys like you (or anyone for that matter). You asked a few questions and im just answering them as I would anyone.
Im not anyone to judge a persons heart or beliefs all I do is go bye what the Bible says and filter it through that. If it doesn't fit, something is off. There are secondary issues that don't affect ones salvation like tongues, healings, prophecy etc etc.
Repenting from your sins and being "saved", accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, living a life pleasing to Him with a new spirit and eternal life isnt' one of them.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by GDR, posted 08-19-2011 10:57 AM GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 33 by GDR, posted 08-22-2011 1:40 PM Chuck77 has not replied

  
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 31 of 286 (630055)
08-22-2011 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
08-20-2011 7:20 PM


Christian or Not?
jar writes:
I have no problem with "Born Again" as long as it is understood that it is something that you do every minute of every day, over and over and over again.
Do you have ANY idea at all what it means to be a CHRISTian? And what being born agian actually means?
Do have any concept or idea at all what the Bible teaches about being Saved? Have you ever read the Bible?
Are you a Christian and if so how is it that you think you need to be born again over and over and over?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by jar, posted 08-20-2011 7:20 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 32 by jar, posted 08-22-2011 8:41 AM Chuck77 has replied

  
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 44 of 286 (630550)
08-26-2011 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
08-22-2011 8:41 AM


Re: Christian or Not?
jar writes:
The reason that I know I must be born again, over and over is based on several things. The first is that I understand that Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew.
Where are you getting that from? What scripture verses? That part about being born again over and over...
Jesus wasn't a Christian? You do know that Christian stands for Christlike? That there were no Chriatians till after Jesus left earth? Yes jar, im aware that Jesus wasnt a Christian...LOL.
Jesus was a Jew and so he understood the concept in the Jewish tradition.
So? I don't care about the jewish tradition and Jesus set up the NEW testiment. You know, the Testiment that is new, not the jewish law anymore? We are under grace now, not the law. You know?
Jesus knew that no one is saved until after the die and are judged. It is only then, after you are dead, that you will ever find out whether or not you have been saved.
Wow, that is umm, silly to say the least. Im not laughing at you don't worry. Im feel bad for you that you are stuck in this dimension of evolution, saved after we die, starting churches when you think that we are saved after we die, etc etc. you are one confused individual.
Tell me jar, if we are saved after we die(or not) why did Jesus die for us here on earth? What was the point? So we can guess what happens but not really know?
Jesus understood that each year you are given a chance to start anew, to try again, to try to fix what you broke. It is a continuous effort of honest evaluation of your behavior, acknowledging your failures, repenting those failures, trying to make amends and trying to not make the same errors in the future.
100% wrong. We are saved thru what Jesus did for us on the cross, period. Nothing to do with us or works. Huge fail.
That is one reason I can say with a pretty high confidence level that even though both of us are Christians, I do not worship the God you seem to market.
Well, I actually agree with this. We definitly do not worship the same God or savior.
BTW, what is your definition of a Christian? How does one become a Chriatian in your mind?
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 32 by jar, posted 08-22-2011 8:41 AM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 46 by jar, posted 08-26-2011 8:41 AM Chuck77 has not replied

  
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 109 of 286 (631429)
09-01-2011 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Panda
08-31-2011 8:38 PM


Questioning God
Panda writes:
Why would it be an odd position, unless you expect god to keep his promises?
Why do you expect god to keep his promises?
Do you believe in God? Who are you, Panda, to question God and His promises?
If you believe he exists then we can tackle Gods methods. Until then, you have no say in the matter.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by Panda, posted 08-31-2011 8:38 PM Panda has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 113 by Panda, posted 09-01-2011 6:12 AM Chuck77 has not replied

  
Chuck77
Inactive Member


Message 166 of 286 (632430)
09-08-2011 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Artemis Entreri
09-07-2011 11:24 AM


Same God different Covenants
Artemis Entreri writes:
I prefer the literary bible of myth and legend,
Don't all atheists?
rather than a set of laws on how to live your life.
Don't all atheists?
It's not up to you or anyone to question the way God deals with HIS Creation.
The whole Bible OT and NT represent God. He is the same God in the OT as in the NT. The OT he is as loving as the NT, it's just everyone skips over those parts. It also showed the wrath that God is capable of.
Now, if you read the NT, mainly Revelations you will see that same wrath that is to come in the Great Tribulation. Yeah, the NT is a covenant of Grace as the OT was more Law than Grace.
God is always God. Yesterday, today, forever. The same God of the OT is the same God of the new. Different convenants same God.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 163 by Artemis Entreri, posted 09-07-2011 11:24 AM Artemis Entreri has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 171 by Artemis Entreri, posted 09-09-2011 8:49 AM Chuck77 has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024