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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Message 151 Since Dr. Craig actually did claim he was quoting directly, can you please show me where that is? As Dr. A showed (in Message 161), Dr. Craig also acted as if he had quoted directly.Any ambiguity you try to claim exists in Dr. Craig's opening sentence is removed by his actions.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Ok - I'll spell it out...
Again I'll ask, where did Dr. Craig actually claim he was quoting directly? . I don't see any ambiguity in:
Dr. Craig writes:
It is Dr. Craig claiming that he is quoting Dawkins directly.
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: . Only you see ambiguity in that sentence (Message 152):
Black Cat writes: From the introductory sentence it doesn't seem clear whether his intention was to quote directly or to summarize. . But any ambiguity you try to claim exists in Dr. Craig's opening sentence is completely removed by his actions.Dr. Craig acted as if he had quoted Dawkins directly. (Some of these actions have been described by Dr. A in Message 161.)
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
(Bolding is mine)
Black Cat writes: No it's not. He cites Dawkins' work but he does not indicate that he intends to quote any part of Dawkins' book directly. Black Cat writes: From the introductory sentence it doesn't seem clear whether his intention was to quote directly or to summarize. You seem to disagree with yourself. {abe}
Black Cat writes:
For the third time, I'll answer:
For the third time I'll ask, where did Dr. Craig actually claim he was quoting directly? Dr. Craig writes: On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
then you cannot also say
I can admit it doesn't seem clear what his intentions are.Black Cat writes:
You cannot both not know and know what his intentions are. I also affirm that he does not indicate that he intends to quote directly.This is really very simple. Black Cat writes:
For the fourth time, I'll answer:
So, for the fourth time I'll ask, where does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
To answer your 2nd post:
Black Cat writes:
Sentences are interpreted as a whole. Where in that sentence does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?If you break them up or remove parts of them (as Dr. Craig did) they lose their intended meaning. So, to answer your question:
Dr. Craig writes: On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Is your silence regarding the dishonesty described by Dr. A. (in Message 161) due to you not being able to defend it?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Oh - ok. I'm not asking you to break it up or to remove part of it. I appear to have mis-understood your request. Thanks for clarifying. Black Cat writes:
Here:
Again I'll ask, where in the above sentence does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Here's my answer - again:
Where in this sentence does Dr. Craig claim to be quoting directly?Dr. Craig writes: On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: Black Cat writes:
Why should I remember something that is not true? Remember quoting the whole sentence is not an answer to my question. "The ball is red."Which part of that sentence identifies the ball as red? "The"? No."Red"? No. "The ball"? Nope. "ball is"? Still nope. "The ball is red."? Yes! Oh no - I quoted the whole sentence. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
How does the above sentence provide support for your claim that Dr. Craig claimed to be quoting directly?
So...you couldn't answer the previous ball question, then?Too difficult? Here's another for you to try:"The ball is maroon." How does the above sentence provide support for the claim that the ball is red? Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Your question is nonsensical. I'm waiting for you to answer my question. Let me know when you're prepared to do so.I was hoping that you would have discovered that while attempting to answer my 2nd 'ball' question. Edited by Panda, : typo
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
The reason that I think that his opening statement indicated that Dr. Craig was quoting directly is because that is what it says. It's nonsensical to ask how you draw support for your claim from a specific statement? It's not clearly evident from the sentence that he intended to quote directly. You claim it is. I'm asking you to explain your reasoning. That is how English works. You read individual words and you draw meaning from their combination and from their context. The combination of words and the context in which they were used clearly indicated that Dr. Craig was quoting verbatim.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
So, you want me to explain how to read and comprehend written English? Yet you are unable to to show how. Ok - if it's so easy: you try. Explain how Dr. Craig's opening statement is not saying that he is quoting Dawkin's verbatim.Show me how those words, used in that particular order and that specific context do not clearly indicate that Dr. Craig was quoting Dawkins directly.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Not that well, else you would realise I was not commenting on your comprehension of English, but on the impossibility of the task you were demanding of me.
I can comprehend English well enough. . Let's have a look at your explanation of how Dr. Craig's opening statement is not saying that he is quoting Dawkin's verbatim.
Black Cat writes:
The sentence does indicate that he intends to quote directly.
The sentence doesn't indicate that he intends to quote directly. Black Cat writes:
It does include a lead in that would suggest he was quoting directly.
It doesn't include any lead in that would suggest he was quoting directly. Black Cat writes:
It does have such things as: Dawkins writes, As said by Dawkins, and so on. Such things as: Dawkins writes, As said by Dawkins, and so on. As I expected, you are unable to explain how Dr. Craig's opening statement is not saying that he is quoting Dawkin's verbatim.I also noticed that you avoided all mention of context. I suspect that context is not your strong point, judging by your opening sentence and by your general avoidance of the subject. . Black Cat writes:
That is a rather obvious argumentum ad populum.
Looks like you're on your own with the direct quoting nonsense.*looks around and sees no-one supporting Black Cat* Looks like you're on your own with the not direct quoting nonsense. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Here:
How so?Where? Where? Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
IamJoseph writes:
...or gods. A finite universe allows no pre-existing energy, forces, tools, elements or substances.Always remember: Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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