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Author Topic:   The Ultimate Question - Why is there something rather than nothing?
IamJoseph
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Message 351 of 366 (630298)
08-23-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Dogmafood
08-23-2011 7:20 PM


Re: Thermodynamics
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Receding to the BB and the point where everything breaks down.
Plank was right and wrong. The laws [of energy, etc] do not break down - they never existed once, then they emerged [Genesis 1/v2]. This is proven by the example of stars: star making laws never existed at one time - thus no stars at the BB point. I can see no alternative to the premise laws were intentionally constructed; even environment cannot apply here - this never existed at the BB point.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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IamJoseph
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Message 352 of 366 (630304)
08-23-2011 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Dogmafood
08-23-2011 3:18 PM


Re: Thermodynamics
quote:
The reality facing us is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
That contradicts a finite universe. Once there was no energy!
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The fact that there is a vanishing point on the horizon does not mean that there is nothing beyond it. The Universe may not have always been but it did not pop out of nothing. Even if wherever it popped out of is undefinable.
Agreed it could not pop from nothing; thus a universe maker applies with no alternatives apparent. Science - logic!
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Our entire reality indicates causality. Why would you suspect that it does not exist on the other side of the hill just because you can not see over the hill?
Or are you (and others) suggesting that energy can neither be created nor destroyed except for that one time?
Energy never existed once; science! This is what confronts you and what you are avoiding at all costs. Make your preamble the universe is ABSOLUTELY finite, even as an exercise, and let not anything you say thereafter contradict. See where it lands you: head on with Gensis with nowhere else to go!

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IamJoseph
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Message 354 of 366 (630310)
08-23-2011 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Vacate
08-23-2011 9:14 PM


Re: Thermodynamics
quote:
Doesn't making something require energy?
The reverse applies: energy requires something, source which produced energy.
quote:
Agreed it could not pop from nothing
When was there nothing?
Everything within a finite universe never exsted before the universe existed. A finite cannot contain infinite or older components, a violation of the finite factor.

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