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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There's no reality behind adaptive radiation; this is just a neo doctored premise given to the variety of life forms., and disregards the directive program transmission. Why do you not see this happening everywhere now!? AR is calling all the different cars as externally created, while ignoring the car manual, car factory and the car maker. I gave you many mathematical premises you choose to disregard. You had a brief flash of being wrong yet coherent; now you are being wrong and incoherent. I should have known better than to try to talk to you, but for a brief moment it seemed as though you were actually saying something.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3920 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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That's a coherent non-response. As in incoherent ignore mode of the most primal factor in repro: the seed.
Is speech determined by eons of years of NS - or a specificity of what is transmitted by the host to the offspring?
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
When will you guys get to the part what role a host tranmittance to the offspring plays - remember that teeny weeny factor!? Maybe when you can coherently explain just what the hell you are talking about? Those of us in touch with reality know what it is that is transmitted between parents and offspring, it is principally genetic material in the form of DNA along with a few proteins and some organelles. We also know that this genetic material is subject to changes and that such changes can have effects on morphology, cognition, speech, behaviour and a host of other factors. Just putting your fingers in your ears and going 'La, la, la! Nothing changes' doesn't make it true. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3920 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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quote: The mysterious word is translated as the 'seed', referring to a core essence embodying al the make-up in the male/female duality. This is the earliest, first recording of an embryotic science, which cannot be better said considering the then limitations of words. You say this seed is genetic material. I say this genetic configuration is better described as a code of a directive program, which contains all the data required in determining the offspring, to the extent it leaves no margin of play for any other factors as impacting. It aligns perfectly with a seed following its own kind - as in a chip in your mobile. Specifically then, what other factors are you saying impacts the offsrping, noting you have not even given the seed even cursory relevance till I pushed you there?
quote: And specifically what are you saying causes these changes - the wind carrying bundles of data - the sun mixed with blue light - jitterbugging quarks randomly banging together? You have not clarified at all in any semblance of science compared to the transmitted data criteria.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That's a coherent non-response. As in incoherent ignore mode of the most primal factor in repro: the seed. Is speech determined by eons of years of NS - or a specificity of what is transmitted by the host to the offspring? This does not mean anything.
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Larni Member (Idle past 106 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
You seem to be confusing inheritance with some pseudo scientologist ideas of our self as pre packaged discrete entity that is somehow divorced from the material of our bodies.
As best as I can make out. Would you mind using normal English? For example: does repro mean reproduction? It would make things a lot less painful to read you post if you used proper English.
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Wow, well done IAJ, you have transcended your usual level of incomprehensible gibberish to reach new heights of impenetrable jibber-jabber.
What you seem to be saying is that you don't have a clue about genetics and presumably, since you have been on this board for more than 4 years, you don't care to learn about it either since it is one of the most frequently discussed topics in the science forums.
I say this genetic configuration is better described as a code of a directive program, which contains all the data required in determining the offspring, to the extent it leaves no margin of play for any other factors as impacting. Well, again, reality disagrees with you. There are a number of environmental factors from temperature to pH to the presence of particular vitamins or other chemicals that can affect an organism's development and its eventual phenotype, so in fact the margins of play you declare cannot exist do exist. These environmental effects are distinct from the changes in the heritable material. Changes in the genetic material are what are termed mutations. There are multiple causes for such mutations, some environmental and some simply due to imperfections in the replication process when DNA is copied during meiosis or mitosis. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3920 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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Quit the naive deflection mode. I already explained what a seed refers to - the word species cannot apply with an ancient time's writings and it cannot have any other meaning in the provided context.
I also asked what factors outside the seed applies which evolutionists seem to always refer to: what specifically causes changes other than a program in the seed [aka genes; dna]?
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Larni Member (Idle past 106 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I get it now. You use these imprecise words such as 'seed' so that (in your head) you are 'aligning' what the bible says with our current scientific understanding.
When we talk about chromosomes and dna and genes and so on and so forth you can justifiably (in your head) say:
"Ah, but see. It was written in the bible. Chromosomes and dna and genes and so on and so forth were written about in the bible but they used the word 'seed'. And so, let it be shall." That's why you keep busting into threads and basically saying the same thing. Why don't you put the following in your sig:
"I beleive the bible is the foundation for modern science" Then you would not have to write anything else at all and, potentially interesting threads like these could live up to their potential. As an aside, you do know that in some reptiles temperature determins the sex of the off spring, rather than the 'seed'? That's a pretty clear cut example of an external effect other than the 'seed'. Rebuttal? Edited by Larni, : Bit of clarity
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3920 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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quote: Its not mine nor any unprecise words. There is no other reading to a seed acting as a chip in your mobile. Whatever do you think this precisely means:
quote: Substitute genes or chip for seed and there is no difference in its meaning from today's science. To me this is 100% a vindicated scientific description, al beit stated in ancient terms, and the first recording of a depiction away from the occultism of ancient times. Today we know that the dna is a code, each component gene representing different processes in a life form, aligning directly with the species and particular individual. We do not look to temperatures and windflow to establish a life form.
quote: You read something, say AAH and swallow - without ever questioning it. Snake sex is NOT determined by external temperatures - the seed factor does this. The offspring may adjust its sex before its sex is determined; many life forms do this. It cannot perform this trick without the seed's directive program allowing it to do so: the factor you obviously never considered! Real science demands honesty.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4397 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I also asked what factors outside the seed applies which evolutionists seem to always refer to: what specifically causes changes other than a program in the seed [aka genes; dna]? What about other environmental factors such as exposure to lead or mercury, or a mothers use of alcohol? Is there some subroutine in the seeds program that says if exposed to high levels of X then the offspring will turn out like this instead of that?"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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Larni Member (Idle past 106 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Substitute genes or chip for seed and there is no difference in its meaning from today's science. To me this is 100% a vindicated scientific description, al beit stated in ancient terms, and the first recording of a depiction away from the occultism of ancient times. So my supposition that you are trying to lump genes, chromosomes and so on and so forth in the word 'seed' so it fits in with your bible was correct.
We do not look to temperatures and windflow to establish a life form. But we do know for sure that crocodile sex is not down to the 'seed'.
Crocodile embryos do not have sex chromosomes, and unlike humans sex is not determined genetically. Sex is determined by temperature,.... Crocodile - Wikipedia So you see, you are totally wrong when you say:
I say this genetic configuration is better described as a code of a directive program, which contains all the data required in determining the offspring, to the extent it leaves no margin of play for any other factors as impacting. Any other factors. That would include temperature. Can't be put any clearer than that. You say it is the 'seed' alone; but a quick check of reality and you are shown to be very wrong. Now can we get back to the topic? Edited by Larni, : last line
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Tanus Junior Member (Idle past 4843 days) Posts: 17 Joined: |
There is a general rule (with definite exceptions) that as humans become wealthier and more educated, they have fewer children. Europe and the US would be below replacement level if there were no immigration. The traits that lead to an educated population have components that are selected against. The fact is that evolution and genetics are complex and still not all that well understood.
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Tanus Junior Member (Idle past 4843 days) Posts: 17 Joined: |
Is it really fair to ask for math? I have written a number of technical papers and I am published in technical journals so I sadly know the work involved in modeling. While all of us would welcome quantification in a forum like this, it is unrealistic to expect mathematical models in these posts. This sort of writing is about shooting from the hip.
This is not to say that I would not welcome seeing a good spreadsheet or two.
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Tanus Junior Member (Idle past 4843 days) Posts: 17 Joined: |
The implication here is that some gene combinations will increase the chances of wealth, while other gene combinations will reduce the chances of wealth.
An organism and a population are a product of genes, culture, environment, and congenital conditions. However, it is fair to say that some genes will impact wealth.
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