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Author Topic:   Is agnosticism more intellectually honest?
jar
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Message 3 of 95 (630511)
08-25-2011 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wollysaurus
08-25-2011 2:54 PM


No it is not as dishonest. Atheism cannot be dishonest. Agnosticism cannot be honest.
Atheism is simply a personal statement that the individual does not believe in any Gods.
Agnosticism is simply a personal statement that the individual does not know whether there are Gods or not.
Theism is simply a personal statement that the individual does believe in one or more God(s).
Honesty and dishonest have nothing to do with any of the three positions as long as the individual actually does hold the belief expressed.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 15 of 95 (630556)
08-26-2011 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Wollysaurus
08-25-2011 10:24 PM


To me, the implication is that the individual *knows* there are no gods, begging the question "how do you know?"
But unless you are the person, it is irrelevant what implications you hold.
I may not have chosen the best wording. I suppose using the word "honest" or "dishonest" does inevitably mean that one is knowingly being untruthful if they take a particular stance. Perhaps I should have phrased it differently and asked if atheism is intellectually flawed, or perhaps unsound, if one professes to "know" that there are no gods.
Then it's a good thing most atheists are smart enough to just believe there are no gods.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 16 of 95 (630557)
08-26-2011 8:21 AM
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08-26-2011 6:03 AM


Re: Intellectual dishonest applies to beliefs
But there is no reason that all beliefs need be consistent.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 21 of 95 (630580)
08-26-2011 10:55 AM
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08-26-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Intellectual dishonest applies to beliefs
So you believe, and that is fine if that makes you feel good.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 28 of 95 (630627)
08-26-2011 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by IamJoseph
08-26-2011 8:28 PM


Of course I can imagine things that never existed.
Of course.
I can imagine an absolutely straight line, latitude and longitude, several magnitudes of "infinity", parallel lines that meet and even cross, dragons and elves, even the god you try to market.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 34 of 95 (630636)
08-26-2011 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by IamJoseph
08-26-2011 8:59 PM


Re: Of course I can imagine things that never existed.
Please learn to actually read what people write and respond to what was written and in particular, stop misrepresenting what I say.
I'll repeat so perhaps you can get someone to read it to you slowly.
jar writes:
Of course.
I can imagine an absolutely straight line, latitude and longitude, several magnitudes of "infinity", parallel lines that meet and even cross, dragons and elves, even the god you try to market.
Read ALL the words.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 41 of 95 (630649)
08-26-2011 9:30 PM
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08-26-2011 9:26 PM


Re: Of course I can imagine things that never existed.
Please learn to actually read what people write and respond to what was written and in particular, stop misrepresenting what I say.
I'll repeat so perhaps you can get someone to read it to you slowly.
jar writes:
Of course.
I can imagine an absolutely straight line, latitude and longitude, several magnitudes of "infinity", parallel lines that meet and even cross, dragons and elves, even the god you try to market.
Read ALL the words.
Try to actually address what I write.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 61 of 95 (630727)
08-27-2011 7:41 AM
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08-27-2011 6:32 AM


Re: Jar is not Humpty Dumpty
Thanks for expressing your belief.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 81 of 95 (630775)
08-27-2011 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 6:22 PM


What is the universe is deemed to be purple?
What if the universe is deemed absolutely finite.
What does that even mean?
Other than it meaning that the universe would no longer exist, do you have any point?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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