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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
And by now I would have though you would realize I don't wander down even attractive rabbit holes. Its attractive and you wandered already, otherwise you would not have responded when you did. Give it a shot, Im sure you reasons for believing the prophecy were not fullfilled will be intersting Dawn Bertot
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Been there, done that.
There are many many threads on Biblical Prophecy and very few of the Old Testament prophecies stand up to examination, and no prophecies of Jesus or by Jesus stand up to examination. Find one of the threads or post whichever prophecy you think can be supported.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Sorry if I appear irrational about covert Nazism. When one says a Pope who rejected the return of Jews to their land, even while they are being holocausted in a Christian country, because your lord did this to them for their rebeliousness, yes I am irrational for not supporting you. I am rebelious and should be more rational of the triumph of evil instead. It all becomes rational if the greatest evil deeds are followed by an IN JC dance, you get saved, rght? Yet the world is in chaos and great natural disasters are seen. Eurostan is happening and the regimes Christians support are crumbling. I say a Nuremberg II Trial is required for European Christianity. Every Christian and atheist becomes guilty here according to a majestic law, one who remains silent of evil becomes evil. How irrational is such a prophesy? Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I can mention a most disdained prophesy standing up to examination. The return of Israel when this was nigh impossible. This was a rag tag people being holocausted in Christian Europe - because they rebelled against depraved Rome and a Roman Christian Pope declared the fleeing Jews must not be supported back to their homeland - so 1000's of refugee Jews in boatloads were sent back to Europe's camps and all Christians chanted VE VERE NOT AVARE. This return happened despite all the world looking that away, while Europe's chimneys still fumed and when hordes of Muslims swayed swords when they landed. Christian Europe than re-transfered the name Palestinian to those panting for another holocaust - a name applied eclusively upon the Jews by Europe. Rock science what it means! However, I agree that only few such prophesies can stand under examinaion - and none from the NT.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but that post may well contain the most falsehoods and misrepresentations of any post you've made yet.
Rome had nothing to do with the Jews being dispersed and in fact it is likely that the return of the Jews happened even before the prophecy was written. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: None followed. The people were busy defending against Rome, a magestic stance, which appears outside the radar of alledged apostles. Is this not what occured in Nazi urope? Paul was thrown out, Christianity only flouroushed centuries later, by enforcement and the rake, and none demanding proof. This is why you cannot put a shred of evidence of the claims made in the Gospels which you post here: read, its a total lie. Call me when you come up with a Christian dead sea scrolls in Hebrew by any of the 12 alledged apostles. A Messiah will demand this of you! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Which planet are you referring to? There was a 70 year war between Rome and Judea. The return is prophesized in the dead sea scrolls [200 BCE] and the Septuagint [300 BCE]. A disdained truthful prophesy cannot be transcended by a cherished lie.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny. That has NOTHING to do with the Jews returning.
The return happened in 538 BCE. Guess which is earlier, 538 BCE or 300 BCE? And even then most Jews chose not to return.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: It does. Its about a RETURN.
quote: Then a Pope rejected their return. He was answered as was Babylon in 586 BCE. The prophesy stands.
quote: They were unable to return, by this time the pre-Islamic Arabs took hold of the Jewish land, barring their return - an eerie parallel of what is seen today. However a small remnant rsked all and the prophesy was fulfilled. A disdained truth transcends a cherish lie.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Utter bullshit.
There were no popes in 538 BCE. The Jews were pre-Islamic Arabs. You really are fun. Edited by jar, : Fix subtitle.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Find one of the threads or post whichever prophecy you think can be supported. I dont need another thread, all I need is half a brain and a set of eyes to see the Church he predicted, flourishing just as he promised His disciples went to the utter most parts of the earth as he promised and prophecied As far as your other threads on prophecy, i demonstrated that you dont even understand what biblical prophecy is about or how it should be applied If you care to take that dare, the hole awaits. Yeah those rabbits and sheep are scary arent they, better watch out for those vivious creatures Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So as usual you do not respond but just try to change the subject.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Paul was thrown out, Christianity only flouroushed centuries later, by enforcement and the rake, and none demanding proof. This is why you cannot put a shred of evidence of the claims made in the Gospels which you post here: read, its a total lie. Not only is not a lie, but it can be witnessed The prophesy stands. The church never departed from the earth after its establishment in 33AD. I could just be imagining things, but Im pretty sure its the largest religion correct? The prophesy was a success. Please if you dare, show mw how this is any different than the one concerning Israels return
Call me when you come up with a Christian dead sea scrolls in Hebrew by any of the 12 alledged apostles. A Messiah will demand this of you! Im sure you understand that a dead sea scroll, moving things back, still 1000 years from any original autographs, is the pot calling the kettle black, correct Ironically I use the same evidence for the NT as I do for the OLD. its very reasonable to assume that if things were kept in tact 1000 or 2000 years removed from the event, its reasonable to assume they were kept pure to the originals. samething for the NT. Its reasonable to assume from the fragments, early christian writers, Apostolic fathers and earliest manuscripts that they reflect nearly all of the original compsitions, liberal or conservative dating notwithstanding Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
So as usual you do not respond but just try to change the subject. No the subject is the same since the thread started. You do remember you just started here correct Ill refresh your memory. I asked a question, you said NO to that question, I challenged you to demonstrate why, you then started to trail off about other threads Will you now demonstrate why Christs prophecy concerning the church was not fullfilled I now wait with great anticipation Dawn Bertot
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3695 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Gee thanks for that brilliant observation. Ignore the 'return' factor twice!
quote: Utter Islamic BS. There was no temple under today's mosque either. Utter zionist and gospel BS, no?
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