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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: This is unscientfic and not substantiated. The plausibility factor aligns with the premise, a seen and manifest cause & effect is more likely with the beginning as with its transit later manifestations - than not so. If there is no causeless event seen anywhere in the universe - than this reasoning cannot apply elsewhere. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Yes. Stemming from Greek philosophy [Aristotle; Helenist flat earth, head bashing dieties, etc] which was KO'd with the superior theology, philosophy and science of the Hebrew bible which ushered in Creationism & Monotheism and changed the universe forever. All that I R says is an infinite is preceded by an infinite! This is a circular arguement [thus the wrong path], and based on its foundation being unscientific. Genesis is superior as it posits a finite universe and is the only ancient writings which did not posit a flat earth policy.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: In fact the Hebrew bible stands unique among all other wiritngs; the NT is OLD because no one is discussing it. Head bashing dietes like Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Mitraish and JC were toppled away when one Abram smashed the idols in his father's house. And the universe was changed forever.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Not only did I study it, but I also never opened mouth wide and said AAH. Be assured all of your blondly accepted assertions will be shown as ludicrous.
quote: You forgot about Newton, Einstein and Roger Penrose. Somewhat greater than Hawkings - and they all support a universe source! The likes of Hawkings and Dawkins do not support a finite universe - guess why!
quote: There is no 'IF' here. Before the universe existed the universe never existed - including all the universe's components. A finite cannot cntain an infinite. Which part is confusing?
quote: The question has no alignment with its inclusion as a responsa. If we do not know what your dentist did before removing your tooth - does it mean your dentist never existed? The madness continues:
quote: Knock-knock! Time is a post universe phenomenon. It would be ubsurd and a violation of the universe's finite factor in anything contained in this universe existed before the universe existed. The madness continues:
quote: Why not an unsubstantiated conjuring without any scientific basis?
quote: I call it madness; see above re time. The thesis totally abandons the finite factor again.
quote: Then pray tell why are stars accounted as 15B years - how many stars existed 250 B years ago - and why not if time is infinite!? The madness:
quote: So matter and energy are also infinite - how many objects did these infinite phenomenons produce in their infinite time period: list one? What about pineapples?
quote: Why then have you been touting time? Duh!
quote: Its not philosophical but one of math and physics. There is no need to go back to earlier times; the universe is dated as approx 13.7 B years. Finite! Yes/no?
quote: Fine. In a finite model, we cannot depict anything in this universe existing before this universe: yes/no? In an infinite universe we would most certainly be able to depict at least something which existed before - e.g. background radiation; different colors; square pinepples; etc. But no luck! Yes/no?
quote: Correct, but against Apion: a changing universe proves only a finite one. Only something not subject to change can be infinite. The madness will continue!
quote: No impact. BTW, Galaxies are homonogised and expand in equal direction and velocity. But still no impact here.
quote: You are chopping off your own foot. The universe is changing, proving it is finite.
quote: The singularity factor is incorrect. No actions can occur with an indivisible and irreducible lone item. This is the premise introduced in Genesis and is scientifically irrefutable. The madness does not stop:
quote: Correction. Laws would not have yet emerged, rather than break down. You are observing the universe retrospectively. Gravity yet did not exust because no laws of gravity existed, nor any mass bodies which gravity is derived of. .
quote: And everything we see relates to that which is evolved, referring to time, and measuring only a 13.7B period. Conclusion: finite.
quote:Who!!!??? Wow - did the Pope really write Genesis? quote: There you go again! It yet never kick started.
quote: Its been said Einstein is toppled by QM, but this is not correct. Einstein based his equations by inserting and allowing an 'X' factor, namely there is a componenet of unknown factors, but which do not effect the whole premise.
quote: History is proof of finite. Once there was no history!
quote: Science is a faculty which explains observable and testable laws. Once there were no laws - and no stars, energy, light, time or space. You have to show us trillion billion year stars incumbent in a finite universe to impress! You cannot. Need a more powerful telescope, perhaps?
quote: Them thar Helenists' flatulent earth was KO'd by Genesis - yet you harken to them in prostration mode!?
quote: The reverse applies. Not time or space existed before the universe. Infinite stuff cannot be measured.
quote: No sir! It means there were many small bubbles in the one big bubble called the universe. I don't say AAH! to what is clearly slight of hand casino science.Its like saying the surface of a circle is infinite - it is not: the circle ends when the same ground is covered again! Otherwise everything is infinite, including a 2 meter rope: just make a U-turn at the end!
quote: Your explanation does not validate multi-universes. MV only pushes the goal post further back.
quote: This infers external input of a purposeful and impacting kind and negates internal random impact! Try to sing out of tune purposefully.
quote: QM has proven to be definitive, not as first thought.
quote: How? If we discovered anything more than 15B years then I missed it. Please demonstrate your assertion?
quote: No, they do not. Black holes are less old than the universe! Its the ssme old story. Only now we have a new kind of fundamentalist theology with the same anxst as those who have been beaten to disappear before.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: It is expanding. It was not infinite 10 seconds ago.
quote: No?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No it does not. Actions entailing Billions of years are listed before the Creation days; e.g, seperation of light and darkness [universal action]; seperating day from night [solar system action]; seperation of water from land [earthly action]. The creational days are epochs of time, prior to the sun's luminosity being critically focused on the erath [the text 1/14], and prior to history. That is why the Hebrew calendar, the oldest we have, begins 'AFTER' the creational days.
quote: No sir. 'IN THE DAY WHEN...' refers to the times when. The periods have already been given in Ch 1.
quote: Not so - I say you fail the comprhension test here. The flood refers to a regional flood and to Noah's own possessions only [the text: 'thou and thy possessions/household']. There are 100's of factors in the Noah story which are 100% proven factual historical items and the only ones we possess of this period.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The only thing you ignored is specifying where I was dishonest; especially when I included references and numbers of a known text.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No, I did not say that and it is not logical to see that in my post. I gave that reason only for showing that the universe is ever changing, citing the example of Hubble's expansion discovery. This proves the validity of Genesis which declares the universe as finite before that term was coined: there was a BEGINNING.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
LOL! You obviously have no problem assessing the world's wisest document, the introducer of all laws the world turns on today and the first alphabetical book. Not to forget it also introduced the DAY to humanity!
I suppose LET THEIR BE LIGHT means clicking a switch on in the dark. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: How hard did you try? How about these universe changers: The universe is finite. Creationism. Monotheism. The earth is not flat. Light was a primordial product. The first listing of life form groups - in their correct protocol The furst/oldest recorded name. The oldest active calendar. The stars are unaccountable.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Give yourself a break: messing with the Hebrew bible because you can with the NT and Quran does not cut it - none have succeeded todate and not for lack of trying or obsession. You are not in good company here:
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes. Its, at the very least, unscientific. Yet today's neo science loves it. I suspect they do so because they are fed up with the dominating theologies, which they never confront directly, instead smashing the only one which is scientific.
quote: I have found the objections and charges made of the Hebrew bible totally fake in a blatant, shameless way. Its become like a psychosis: of billions of evidential stats not seen anywhere else they will pick a grain of sand which they say is not a real grain of sand, and also disregard every fake grain in two other religions. One is a bad career move the other is a good one with a 5 minute glory period. Go ahead - deny it.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Chess champs make poor war generals.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Are there jitterbugging quarks which accidently create universes, computers and pineapples? Apparently some PHDs think so and now they will explain it to you and show you why you are stupid.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. My second favourite book.
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