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IamJoseph
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Message 91 of 286 (631358)
08-31-2011 6:57 PM
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08-31-2011 3:05 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
I say, more innocent folk have been murdered in the name of JC and Mo than any other. One has to see who's hands were stained with blood. Beware of those who shout love and peace too loud - they are the ones holding the knives.
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iano
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Message 92 of 286 (631365)
08-31-2011 7:39 PM
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08-31-2011 6:27 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Panda writes:
What makes you think that god would (or should) keep his promises?
It's not what I think that matters. If he promises consequences for actions then he is justified in delivering on those promise if he chooses. It's a question of sovereignty.
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iano
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Message 93 of 286 (631369)
08-31-2011 7:44 PM
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08-31-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Jar writes:
It makes a big difference, I at least would be behaving morally even when God is not.
According to your own standard? A privilege granted you for a time.
And yes, if a God makes that a condition then that God is so far below MY standard of morality as to be unworthy of my worship.
Again, that's an opinion you are free to hold, for a time. The issue is whether God is justifed in killing sinners or not.
It goes directly to the heart of this thread.
I would not worship such a God.
We are charged to fight the GOOD fight.
We may not win, but we must fight.
As above. The freedom to do as you please is something granted you until such a time as it is granted no more. Such is sovereignty.
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iano
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Message 94 of 286 (631370)
08-31-2011 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2011 6:44 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Dr. A writes:
I'd like to add my puzzlement to Panda's. Apparently you can believe in a god who can sanction actual genocide but who won't break a promise 'cos that would be bad.
The genocide is the product of a promise: the wages of sin is death.
I see no conflict.
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iano
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Message 95 of 286 (631372)
08-31-2011 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2011 6:25 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Dr. A writes:
So, let's see if I've got this right. If I attempt to commit some abominable crime, and I succeed, then I was doing God's will?
Is there a particular reason why you don't supply any context?
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jar
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Message 96 of 286 (631373)
08-31-2011 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by iano
08-31-2011 7:44 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
That's fine with me.
At least I will know that I acted morally.
Sorry but the God you market is not worthy of my worship.
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iano
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Message 97 of 286 (631374)
08-31-2011 7:58 PM
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08-31-2011 7:54 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Jar writes:
At least I will know that I acted morally.
Alas, not.
Like I say, the God I market will have withdrawn the freedom you currently have to construct your own morality in the manner you see fit.
And in withdrawing that freedom, he will know that he is acting righteously.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 98 of 286 (631375)
08-31-2011 7:59 PM
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08-31-2011 7:46 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
The problem, iano, is that since committing genocide is commonly thought to be worse than breaking a promise, it is hard to feel certain that someone who did the former would cavil at the latter.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 99 of 286 (631376)
08-31-2011 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by iano
08-31-2011 7:48 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Is there a particular reason why you don't supply any context?
The context is that I was replying to your post.
Is there any particular reason why you won't answer my question? It's one of those yes-or-no dealies, it's quite simple.
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iano
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Message 100 of 286 (631377)
08-31-2011 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2011 7:59 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Dr. A writes:
The problem, iano, is that since committing genocide is commonly thought to be worse than breaking a promise, it is hard to feel certain that someone who did the former would cavil at the latter.
The problem, Dr. A. is that genocide is commonly thought to be a crime, wrong, unrighteous, unjust.
However, when I use the term, I mean:
"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" (wiki)
..which is devoid of moral commentary.
If not assuming a negative moral element to God's genocide (for that is under discussion) you're back to a God who is merely fulfilling his promises
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jar
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Message 101 of 286 (631379)
08-31-2011 8:05 PM
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08-31-2011 7:58 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Bullshit.
If he believes that he will only be lying to himself.
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iano
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Message 102 of 286 (631381)
08-31-2011 8:07 PM
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08-31-2011 8:01 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Dr. A writes:
The context is that I was replying to your post.
No then.
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iano
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Message 103 of 286 (631384)
08-31-2011 8:13 PM
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08-31-2011 8:05 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Jar writes:
Bullshit. If he believes that he will only be lying to himself.
Not an attribute of the God I'm marketing I'm afraid.
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jar
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Message 104 of 286 (631385)
08-31-2011 8:18 PM
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08-31-2011 8:13 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Sorry but it is also fact.
The God you market is evil and without any redeeming qualities.
If it does turn out to be real, the only honorable course would be to oppose it.
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hooah212002
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Message 105 of 286 (631388)
08-31-2011 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by iano
08-31-2011 8:03 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
However, when I use the term, I mean:
"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" (wiki)
..which is devoid of moral commentary.
No, then, I think that makes you immoral if you can't see the immorality in that statement/act. You think you can just hide your immorality behind a figment of your imagination and it's acceptable.
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"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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