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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3688 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
I say, more innocent folk have been murdered in the name of JC and Mo than any other. One has to see who's hands were stained with blood. Beware of those who shout love and peace too loud - they are the ones holding the knives.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Panda writes: What makes you think that god would (or should) keep his promises? It's not what I think that matters. If he promises consequences for actions then he is justified in delivering on those promise if he chooses. It's a question of sovereignty.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: It makes a big difference, I at least would be behaving morally even when God is not. According to your own standard? A privilege granted you for a time.
And yes, if a God makes that a condition then that God is so far below MY standard of morality as to be unworthy of my worship. Again, that's an opinion you are free to hold, for a time. The issue is whether God is justifed in killing sinners or not.
It goes directly to the heart of this thread. I would not worship such a God. We are charged to fight the GOOD fight. We may not win, but we must fight. As above. The freedom to do as you please is something granted you until such a time as it is granted no more. Such is sovereignty.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Dr. A writes: I'd like to add my puzzlement to Panda's. Apparently you can believe in a god who can sanction actual genocide but who won't break a promise 'cos that would be bad. The genocide is the product of a promise: the wages of sin is death. I see no conflict.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Dr. A writes: So, let's see if I've got this right. If I attempt to commit some abominable crime, and I succeed, then I was doing God's will? Is there a particular reason why you don't supply any context?
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's fine with me.
At least I will know that I acted morally. Sorry but the God you market is not worthy of my worship.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: At least I will know that I acted morally. Alas, not. Like I say, the God I market will have withdrawn the freedom you currently have to construct your own morality in the manner you see fit. And in withdrawing that freedom, he will know that he is acting righteously.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The problem, iano, is that since committing genocide is commonly thought to be worse than breaking a promise, it is hard to feel certain that someone who did the former would cavil at the latter.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Is there a particular reason why you don't supply any context? The context is that I was replying to your post. Is there any particular reason why you won't answer my question? It's one of those yes-or-no dealies, it's quite simple.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Dr. A writes: The problem, iano, is that since committing genocide is commonly thought to be worse than breaking a promise, it is hard to feel certain that someone who did the former would cavil at the latter. The problem, Dr. A. is that genocide is commonly thought to be a crime, wrong, unrighteous, unjust. However, when I use the term, I mean: "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" (wiki) ..which is devoid of moral commentary. If not assuming a negative moral element to God's genocide (for that is under discussion) you're back to a God who is merely fulfilling his promises
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bullshit.
If he believes that he will only be lying to himself.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Dr. A writes: The context is that I was replying to your post. No then.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: Bullshit. If he believes that he will only be lying to himself. Not an attribute of the God I'm marketing I'm afraid.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but it is also fact.
The God you market is evil and without any redeeming qualities. If it does turn out to be real, the only honorable course would be to oppose it.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
However, when I use the term, I mean: "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" (wiki) ..which is devoid of moral commentary. No, then, I think that makes you immoral if you can't see the immorality in that statement/act. You think you can just hide your immorality behind a figment of your imagination and it's acceptable.
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