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Maartenn100
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Message 286 of 389 (631296)
08-31-2011 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by NoNukes
08-31-2011 12:27 PM


No, do not understand me wrong. I love science, rationality and the scientific method. Because my thinking is been build with information of science. But I can't see how 'spacetime' (all events) can be seen as an event itself with a past and a future.
Beautiful discoveries in science like 'entanglement' and 'the limitspeed of light' give me the idea that we as observers (or our instruments) will put something in time and place (a particle) when we measure it, given our position.
Before that, it was not localised. So it can has more positions in time given different angles. On the timeline of the observer.
F.e. when you look at an object: the front will be less far in the past 'given your position' then the sides of that object.
But also the front of an object, when it's large, has different events on your timeline. Because light will need time to reach your eyes when 'a pixel' of that object is positioned further away from you.
But other observers will 'position' the same object on another point on their timeline.
You will see it in an angle. (different events on your timeline in the past, given that angle of that 'front' of that 'object' (whole of events).
But time and space itself 'just are'.
Another argument (also build on solid science):
All events and motion is relative, given a referencepoint.
That's relativity. But 'spacetime' itself, what is the referencepoint?
the Nothing
Timeless and spaceless entity? (like a photon?)
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Maartenn100
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Message 287 of 389 (631298)
08-31-2011 2:08 PM
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08-31-2011 1:20 PM


The reason why nobody in science can think about that, is because 'an observer' can not be found. It's zeropoint in the material world. It's nothing. It's always 0m/s in relation to the speed of light. It's 0 meter and 0 seconds. Timeless and Spaceless. It's a variable scientists don't like to think about.
It is = 0

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Message 288 of 389 (631300)
08-31-2011 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 2:08 PM


The reason why nobody in science can think about that, is because 'an observer' can not be found. It's zeropoint in the material world. It's nothing. It's always 0m/s in relation to the speed of light. It's 0 meter and 0 seconds. Timeless and Spaceless. It's a variable scientists don't like to think about.
It is = 0
No, its really not.
Zero degrees latitude is still a point on the surface of the Earth...

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Maartenn100
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Message 289 of 389 (631302)
08-31-2011 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by New Cat's Eye
08-31-2011 2:29 PM


That's truth.
But I mean this:
you can find a brain. You can find neurons, electricity etc.
But you can't find 'feelings, experiences, observations, colors, music'
All aspects of the world.
But it is not in the material world.
But its an aspect of 'the reality'.
And as far as we know, these things has no influence on the material world.
But I think 'observations' have there role to play: localisation in space and time.
Conscousness is been represented by 'brains', 'neurons, nervecells etc.
It's one material thing with two sides. A material side and an immaterial, not findable aspect. We only can find this, if we are such things.
So maybe there is some other 'material' in the world. And it's is also a coin with two sides. A material side, and also an undetectable immaterial side: I suspect 'light' and electricity
The position of the observer:
According to our measurements, we are in "the actual moment" (for ourselves).
And the actual moment is how big? (0m/0s)
That's our position.
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Message 290 of 389 (631306)
08-31-2011 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 2:40 PM


That's truth.
But I mean this:
you can find a brain. You can find neurons, electricity etc.
But you can't find 'feelings, experiences, observations, colors, music'
All aspects of the world.
But it is not in the material world.
But its an aspect of 'the reality'.
And as far as we know, these things has no influence on the material world.
But I think 'observations' have there role to play: localisation in space and time.
Conscousness is been represented by 'brains', 'neurons, nervecells etc.
It's one material thing with two sides. A material side and an immaterial, not findable aspect. We only can find this, if we are such things.
So maybe there is some other 'material' in the world. And it's is also a coin with two sides. A material side, and also an undetectable immaterial side: I suspect 'light' and electricity
The position of the observer:
According to our measurements, we are in "the actual moment" (for ourselves).
And the actual moment is how big? (0m/0s)
That's our position.

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Seriously, man... type up your responses into Notepad, or Word, and get everything right that you want to say, then copy-n-paste it into the text box. Then, hit the "Preview" button and make sure everything looks like you want it to and THEN hit the "Submit" button.
I saw your reply in my email and thought, I better wait a bit for his normal 5 edits to take place and that shouldn't be something that we have to do.

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Maartenn100
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Message 291 of 389 (631308)
08-31-2011 3:23 PM
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08-31-2011 3:17 PM


yes, I know. It's because I'm dutch. My English is very bad. I must change things etc.

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Message 292 of 389 (631309)
08-31-2011 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 3:23 PM


CHANGE THEM BEFORE YOU SUBMIT!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 293 of 389 (631310)
08-31-2011 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by IamJoseph
08-31-2011 6:05 AM


They are also all time Nobels literalists.
This does not mean anything.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 294 of 389 (631311)
08-31-2011 3:38 PM
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08-31-2011 6:03 AM


The universe could not have begun with a singularity because then there cannot be an action. Everything begins with a 'duality' as the minimum requirement: it takes two to tango. The BBT is just a means of bypassing the enigma of origins, else we would not be able to proceed. The BBT is a greasy bryclream kidstuff premise: if the universe is exampanding this away, it must have come from that away. That's all it is
This does not mean anything.
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Panda
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Message 295 of 389 (631325)
08-31-2011 5:20 PM
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08-31-2011 3:38 PM


Dr. A writes:
This does not mean anything.
I am starting to see a pattern...

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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IamJoseph
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Message 296 of 389 (631364)
08-31-2011 7:21 PM
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08-31-2011 3:38 PM


IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!
You mean it check mates you?
Take a singular item. Place it in a bowl of soup - oops, there is bowl or soup! Damn thing is a singularity with nothing else around. Darn - not even an observer in sight!
Ahem! Not do you see why only a universe maker makes the only scientific sense here - or does not still not make any sense at all?

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Message 297 of 389 (631421)
08-31-2011 11:37 PM
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08-31-2011 7:21 PM


No Sense Whatsoever!
Take a singular item.
OK. I'll take a lima bean.
Place it in a bowl of soup ...
Done.
oops, there is bowl or soup!
No. There is a bowl with soup in it and now with a lima bean as well.
Damn thing is a singularity with nothing else around. Darn - not even an observer in sight!
What the hell you talking about? It's a bowl of soup with a lima bean in it! What singularity? I don't see any singularity. I see my bowl of soup with a lima bean floating on top!
Not do you see why only a universe maker makes the only scientific sense here ...
This has nothing to do with my bowl of soup or the lima bean!
or does not still not make any sense at all?
No, it doesn't. What does any of this have to do with the Big Bang or my bowl of soup?
You are not making any sense at all!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 298 of 389 (631423)
08-31-2011 11:52 PM
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08-31-2011 7:21 PM


Re: IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!
You mean it check mates you?
No, I mean that it doesn't mean anything. You can kinda tell by the way I said: "This does not mean anything".
Take a singular item. Place it in a bowl of soup - oops, there is bowl or soup! Damn thing is a singularity with nothing else around. Darn - not even an observer in sight!
This does not mean anything.

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Message 299 of 389 (631424)
08-31-2011 11:52 PM
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08-31-2011 11:37 PM


Re: No Sense Whatsoever!
A lima bean is inadmissable as a singularity. It has multi components including seeds and electrons.
try again.

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IamJoseph
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Message 300 of 389 (631425)
08-31-2011 11:56 PM
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08-31-2011 5:20 PM


I am starting to see a pattern.. of omissions.
Can be an error when fundy atheists forget to include a fulcrum verse from the Noah story - or suddenly forget what a singulairity is?
Can anyone dismiss that a lie-by-omission is - surprise, surprise - a lie!

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