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Author Topic:   The problems of big bang theory. What are they?
NoNukes
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Message 255 of 389 (630918)
08-29-2011 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Maartenn100
08-28-2011 8:57 PM


No big bang??
Oops.
Ignoring the silly stuff, you neglected to explain the microwave background radiation.

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NoNukes
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Message 285 of 389 (631294)
08-31-2011 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 8:51 AM


Is here on the forum a 'quote-button' to answer in the messagebox? Thanks for helping:
No quote button. There use to be such a button, but posters often tended to quote entire back and forth exchanges and Percy deleted removed the button.
Assuming that scientists are complete morons utterly unable to apply common sense as well as you is probably the wrong approach.
Or, phrased another way, saying 'It does not make sense to Maartenn100' is not a convincing attack.

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NoNukes
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Message 316 of 389 (631526)
09-01-2011 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-01-2011 10:05 AM


Maddenstein writes:
That's an appeal to authority of those entitled to an opinion according to you.
You are wrong. Nobody is saying that the people on the list are not entitled to their opinion. But I don't find those opinions credible simply based on the number of opinion holders. Not every opinion is valid or worthwhile. Why should I believe that these opinions are the least bit persuasive.
Seriously AM, do you yourself find that list of sceptics the least bit impressive? Would you find a list of 100 physicists with contrary opinions convincing?

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NoNukes
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Message 318 of 389 (631548)
09-01-2011 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-01-2011 6:05 PM


That's nice...
I didn't see an answer to either of my questions. Not really surprised.

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NoNukes
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Message 339 of 389 (631697)
09-02-2011 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by Pressie
09-02-2011 6:40 AM


Try a little context
Pressie writes:
Please note that from your quote he said :I would like to reject it .. What did he say afterwards in that same sentence?
It's fairly hard to find a complete quote with a general search because of the pervasive number of creationist sites that want to make much out of little. Is it really all that important what scientists said about some theory 70 years ago? Do we take Louis Pasteur's detractors all that seriously now?
But perhaps creationists are not completely to blame for the Morrison quote. The half quote apparently appears in this form in Robert Jastrow's book God and the Astronomers, which book actually describes cosmologists coming to accept the big bang theory despite their initial reluctance.
Apparently, some creationists consider BBT to be bad news for atheists because it suggest that the universe has a beginning. As a result, there is endless discussion of Jastrow's book on creationist web pages.
What is the most likely way a sentence, "I would like to reject it..." might end. You can almost hear the "but" without even seeing the complete quote. Well most of us would anticipate such.
No, I'm not going to do Portillo's homework or steal Pressie's thunder.
Even more amusing is the Eddington quote.
Eddington as quoted in From Philosophy and the Physicists: By L. Susan Stebbing.
quote:
Philosophically the notion of an abrupt beginning of the present order of Nature is repugnant to me, as I think it must be to most; and even those who would welcome a proof of the intervention of a Creator would probably consider that a single winding-up at some remote epoch is not really the kind of relation between God and his world that brings satisfaction to the mind. But I can see no escape from our dilemma.
Yeah, there is that "but" that completely changes the sense of the quote.
Pressie writes:
Portillo writes:
Robert Jastrow said "it was distasteful to the scientific mind."
Oh, did he? Any reference to this? Can’t find it anywhere except in creationist web pages who all refer to each other.
Actually, I can believe that Jastrow did say that. It would be perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, which was that physicists had an initial emotion based dislike for the idea of a universe with an ultimate beginning. But that initial reaction just isn't the big deal Portillio makes of it. We can find physicists saying similar things about quantum mechanics, and even worse things about special and general relativity back in the early part of twentieth century. So what?

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NoNukes
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Message 340 of 389 (631698)
09-02-2011 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Butterflytyrant
09-02-2011 8:30 AM


Re: looking for information
I don't get a lot of exposure to people who cannot or will not learn.
I feel your pain.

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NoNukes
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Message 341 of 389 (631738)
09-02-2011 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Dogmafood
09-02-2011 8:12 AM


Re: ad populum
it is those simple-minded janitors, engineers, geologists and philosophers on whose faith in the correctness of the explanations offered by the elite of mathemagicians, the very upkeep and existence of the mathemagicians entirely depends.
Really? Does the general public have any significant say in which cosmological inquiries get funded and who gets telescope time? I find the idea that the public has any significant input rather difficult to believe. Because surely there'd be more stink about how the money is being spent. I understand that the general purse strings are under public control at universities, but I expect that the scientist who get results and bring credit to their university (credit among peers) are the ones who get the money.

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