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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Straggler writes:
Because that makes us feel that much more special? I mean, a being that could literally create whatever it wants, chose to create us as the pinnacle of its creation. That's pretty special, innit?
But if we have a highly evidenced naturalistic answer for why something is as it is (human altruism, human invention of and belief in gods, morality or whatever else) why would we ever invoke a supernatural answer?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Straggler writes:
Nope.
Sure. But is "what makes us feel special" a reliable indicator of reality? If not - How can it qualify as a form of evidence?
Well, as subjective evidence it might. I'm not entirely sure what "subjective evidence" even is though. Evidence that means one thing to someone and another to someone else?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Straggler writes:
If that's what we're going with then sure, I guess that could be the case.
If by "evidence" you simply mean a reason for belief then I guess so. But on that basis a liking for the colour pink is a reason to believe in the actual existence of an Immaterial Pink Unicorn. It seems to be reasons for belief as long as those reasosns don't extend to what advocates of such evidence don't actually believe in.
Right.... So really, anything goes then? Well, that's kinda pointless. Is there a definition to be found anywhere, or could the supporters of this "subjective evidence" provide one, preferably with some examples?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Humtard in Message 119 writes:
Is there a definition to be found anywhere, or could the supporters of this "subjective evidence" provide one, preferably with some examples?
Well, supporters of subjective evidence, anything to enlighten me by?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
GDR writes:
Well it certainly is an answer, but you're basically saying that it can be whatever you want it to be. An amazing moment in your life, the kitten that's so cute, the colour red, that you think is so beautiful. Everything and anything can be "subjective evidence" it seems. Meaning that it is absolutely useless to determine truth, meaning that it's not really evidence at all. It just makes you feel good, like I thought would be the real reason.
We all come to our own conclusions about the existence or non-existence of god(s) and we all come to those conclusions based on subjective evidence. You can take as subjective evidence the fact that we exist, that we are conscious, that we recognize some human behaviours as bad or good, that we can love, hate, forgive or not forgive have mercy or be cruel etc. It is I agree possible to subjectively reject all of that and come to the conclusion that the material world as we perceive it is all there is. I have just come to a different conclusion. Hope this answers your question.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Chuck77 writes: Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Bible (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out. Also there are many books written by wonderful christians that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Church too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth. You have your hands full for the weekend. SONday find a good morning service and let me know what the Pastor talked about.
Muslim down the street writes:
Now, which one to choose, and why?
Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Qu'ran (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out. Also there are many books written by wonderful Muslims that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Mosque too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth. You have your hands full for the weekend. SOMEday find a good morning service and let me know what the Imam talked about.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
IamJoseph writes:
I'm sorry, what? What are you talking about?
Why buy retail when you can get it wholsesale, direct from the factory owner?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Coragyps writes:
'Twas 'gainst the Spartans that those brave Trojans did fight. I do. I'm almost certain that Poseidon never did doo-squat to interfere with Trojans vs. Athenians.For Poor Helen was taken by wicked Paris from the Spartan King, who could do nothing, despite his might.... Although, there probably were some Athenians there too.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Chuck77 writes: Now, your project is to provide the same, only in reverse. For example, Christians converting to Islam. Well, I've got this:
quote: Converting to Islam in the U.S. Following 9/11 , 34000 embraced Islam !, why they converted to Islam For starters. I'm sure I could dig up more. Again, who to believe?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Chuck77 writes:
Really? Got any evidence to back up that statement? Not that it matters, those are just people being misled by satan, or so the muslim down the street tells me. I know! Isn't it great. Talk about overload of subjective evidence. Although there are MANY more muslims converting to christianity than the other way around I think it says something regardless don't you? Edited by Huntard, : Did quote wrong, had hangover
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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Chuck77 writes:
Well, I had another talk with the Muslim down the street, and according to him, it's not evidence favouring Christianity, it's evidence favouring the power of Satan, for leading all those believers in the true Muslim faith down the rabbit hole of the lies of Christianity. Well then I can't help you. If you can't see that muslims converting over the Christianity much more than Christians converting to Islam means something surley I can'y help you. It would seem whatever subjective evidence they are coming across, favors Christianity. Now, again, who should I believe, you, who claim it is god finally reaching the Muslims, or the Muslim down the street, who says it's Satan, misleading all the Muslims?
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