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Panda
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Message 186 of 389 (623867)
07-14-2011 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by IamJoseph
07-13-2011 11:08 PM


Re: Singularity
IamJoseph writes:
1. All matter and contents of the universe as we know it was ushered simultainiously. Nothing new applies - because there was nowhere else for anything knew to come from - now or then. At this point no laws [science] yet existed. Everything was one indecipherable mush; nothing was seperate or seperated to have its own identity: how could they w/o laws? Here, size also does not factor in - because size is relative and dependent on an observer - both never existed yet.
More than one [several] applies, regardless of the matter and contents of it. New things can always be. Just because science [rules not laws] hasn't always been or will be, doesn't mean that everything is past our knowledge. The main tree of thought branches into many observers: each can view [know] what there is. Relative size makes for a poor measurement.

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Message 188 of 389 (623872)
07-14-2011 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by IamJoseph
07-14-2011 5:23 AM


Re: Singularity
IamJoseph writes:
You said it, but you did not show how this is possible.
Oh - sorry. I thought it was a 'write complete and utter gibberish' competition.
Nothing I wrote makes sense. It was not even structured correctly.
The fact that you thought it had meaning says an awful lot about your grasp of the English language.
Clearly you can only guess at what people are writing, but never actually read and comprehend.
While I am sure that you enjoy imagining what people are trying to say, it is frustrating for those trying to actually communicate with you.
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Message 190 of 389 (623879)
07-14-2011 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by IamJoseph
07-14-2011 8:27 AM


Re: Singularity
IamJoseph writes:
Go ahead and blame my english or me - which I'll crack you to smitherens any time. Its my only tongue.
The irony is strong in this one.
IamJoseph writes:
Is my english confusing?
If you were able to read my previous reply then you would have the answer to this already.
If you continue to think that your English is perfectly understandable: you will continue to babble incoherently.
And if you continue to only guess what people are writing: you will continue to be ignorant of what people are actually writing.
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Panda
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Message 192 of 389 (623881)
07-14-2011 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by IamJoseph
07-14-2011 9:03 AM


Re: Singularity
IamJoseph writes:
a new song is a new sing - but it was always universe contained. The point here.
If you continue to think that your English is perfectly understandable: you will continue to babble incoherently.
And if you continue to only guess what people are writing: you will continue to be ignorant of what people are actually writing.
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Message 206 of 389 (624297)
07-17-2011 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by IamJoseph
07-17-2011 5:01 AM


IamJoseph writes:
A singular entity which is indivisible and irreducible, with nothing else around. Here, no action can occur - no expansion - no BANG.
Therefore: god cannot have created the universe.
I concur.
TBH:
How do you expect anyone to believe you have any grasp of cosmology when you only have a feeble grasp of you own language?

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Message 225 of 389 (628593)
08-11-2011 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Portillo
08-11-2011 5:10 AM


Portillo writes:
British physicist Edmund Whittaker says, "There is no ground for supposing that matter and energy existed before and was suddenly galvanized into action. For what could distinguish that moment from all other moments in eternity?".
That is a very nice Mis-Quote-Mined sentence.
Perhaps you would be willing to quote the complete paragraph from which this statement was plucked?
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Message 229 of 389 (628604)
08-11-2011 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by Theodoric
08-11-2011 8:55 AM


Theodoric writes:
Could you please provide the full quote and context. I cannot seem to find an original in Google.
The nearest I can find is:
quote:
There is no ground for supposing that matter (or energy, which is the same as matter) existed before this in an inert condition, and was in some way galvanised into activity at a certain instant: for what could have determined this instant rather than all the other instants of past eternity? It is simpler to postulate a creation ex nihilo, an operation of the Divine Will to constitute Nature from nothingness.
Edmund Whittaker: Physics and Philosophy
but it is still a single quote (but at least the website tries to explain the context).
I might be able to find a better source when I get home.
But since I was not the person using Whittaker's quote as support for my argument, I suspect that you have inadvertently replied to me, when you should be replying to Portillo.

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Panda
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Message 266 of 389 (631184)
08-30-2011 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Portillo
08-30-2011 9:05 PM


Portillo writes:
There seems to be alot of people here who arent creationists and dont believe in the big bang.
Who exactly are you referring to?

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 268 of 389 (631199)
08-30-2011 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Portillo
08-30-2011 9:45 PM


Portillo writes:
Just looking at previous pages it seems as though some people are not willing to accept that the big bang theory is scientific fact.
That statement is very different to saying:
Portillo writes:
There seems to be alot of people here who arent creationists and dont believe in the big bang.
You have changed the word 'Alot' for 'Some' and have abandoned the 'non-creationist' aspect of your claim.
But your new statement is kinda self-evident.
If there weren't 'some' people that don't accept the BBT then this thread would be very short:
"The problems of big bang theory. What are they?" followed by silence.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 278 of 389 (631270)
08-31-2011 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 8:51 AM


Maartenn100 writes:
scientists say: 'the age of spacetime is 13.7 biljoen years old."
I doubt that they do.
It would be as meaningless as saying "The speed of velocity is 10m/s."
Maartenn100 writes:
This sentence makes no sense at all.
Strawman much?
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Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 295 of 389 (631325)
08-31-2011 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2011 3:38 PM


Dr. A writes:
This does not mean anything.
I am starting to see a pattern...

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 309 of 389 (631453)
09-01-2011 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Portillo
09-01-2011 3:58 AM


Portillo writes:
You say that only creationists reject the big bang. But the cosmologystatement.org which was signed by many non-creationist scientists have suggested that the big bang is not a good explanation of how the universe began.
Demise of Big Bang: Cosmology Statement
and in particular:
Message 8
Rei writes:
Gotta love the quality of these links that these quality scientists give to their work:
http://education.vsnl.com/sankhyakarika/
http://www.kolbecenter.org/
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/
Yahoo
http://www.antidogma.ru/
http://www.eugenesittampalam.com/ (see the link for anti-gravity at BeardMuseum.com is for sale | HugeDomains)
(etc - and these are just the people who *posted* their links!)
To some of these sorts of people, the Gaia Hypothesis would seem too mainstream. Lets look at some of their quality, applicable positions:
"Independent researcher" (lots and lots of these!)
"US Naval Sea Systems Command (ret.)"
"Engineering consultant, Sri Lanka"
(etc)
The companies are *almost always* not applicable at all:
Kaz group -
The MITRE Corporation
http://superconix.com/
(etc)
Of the names that are from universities, the vast majority are not from applicable fields:
Tom Walther: Senior programmer and systems analyst
Michael A. Duguay: Electrical engineering and data processing
Jonathan Chambers: Postgraduate psychology research student
(etc)
Several of them don't show up in faculty listings for their claimed universities. Several of them can't even be found on the net outside this list.
This list is a complete joke. Very few of these people are even in remotely related fields. Perhaps one in 40 of these people is in a position to accurately comment about the accuracy of the big bang.
In short, this list isn't worth the paper it's written on (for which it isn't written on any)

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 314 of 389 (631491)
09-01-2011 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-01-2011 9:15 AM


One of your more coherant rants.
But I know it won't last so I CBA debating with you.
I'll put you into the same category as IamJoseph.
Hopefully you will continue to waste your time replying to my posts.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 324 of 389 (631635)
09-02-2011 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Butterflytyrant
09-02-2011 3:23 AM


Re: looking for information
Butterflytyrant writes:
Can anyone help me out? Anyone know of any uses of the common phrases IamJoseph anywhere other than his posts?
I have found that if you type some of his more frequent phrases into google, you can find all the other forums he posts on.
His version of English is apparently unique.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 367 of 389 (632462)
09-08-2011 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 366 by Portillo
09-08-2011 3:02 AM


Re: ad populum
Portillo writes:
Charles Darwin was trained in medicine and theology.
So he didn't spend 5 years on The Beagle studying geology and the natural world?
But comparing the educational systems of the 1850's to today's educational systems is pretty pointless.
We (rightly) expect more from our professionals than we did ~150 years ago.
How long would a person have to study medicine on the internet before you would let them operate on you?
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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