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Author Topic:   Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions?
bluescat48
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Message 46 of 146 (632220)
09-06-2011 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Chuck77
09-06-2011 5:41 AM


Re: And God said
The Bible which you say is not "valid" seems spot on to me. How bout you? Do you see pear trees producing apple trees?
You obviously know nothing about either natural selection or punctuated equilibrium. In neither would pear trees produce apple trees, that is just as ridiculous as the crocoduck.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 47 of 146 (632274)
09-06-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by bluescat48
09-06-2011 12:33 PM


Re: And God said
I don't follow? You just lumped my entire post all into one big bowl of Gumbo and said I dont understand NS?
Im not comparing NS or PE to pear trees or apple trees.
In neither would pear trees produce apple trees, that is just as ridiculous as the crocoduck.
Oh good, then you agree the Bible correctly predicts that kinds produce like kinds BUT you think evolution doesnt? Which is it?

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Message 48 of 146 (632276)
09-06-2011 7:34 PM
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09-06-2011 7:26 PM


Re: And God said
Oh good, then you agree the Bible correctly predicts that kinds produce like kinds BUT you think evolution doesnt?
Please define "kind"

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Chuck77
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Message 49 of 146 (632277)
09-06-2011 7:35 PM
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09-06-2011 7:21 AM


Re: And God said
Before you start being wrong about Stephen Jay Gould and punctuated equilibrium, a search of these forums might be useful.
Dr A, im not saying he is wrong. My point was that Science has moved past Darwin. As things prorress it doesn't mean the Bible is invalidated by progressions in Science, does it?

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Chuck77
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Message 50 of 146 (632280)
09-06-2011 7:40 PM
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09-06-2011 6:55 AM


Re: And God said
Unfortunately just because I don't see pear trees producing apple trees, that doesn't make the Biblical creation story more valid than any other creation story. Each will have something we see today.
Well, im not interested in every Creation story, just one. And because it's right doesnt mean it's any LESS valid than the rest either.
Truth is not relative, one has to be absolutly right. BTW, most creation stories steal from the bible.

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Message 51 of 146 (632281)
09-06-2011 7:52 PM
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09-06-2011 7:40 PM


really? really? steal from the bible? really?
most creation stories steal from the bible.
Did you follow the link PD supplied? Please show which of those steal from the bible.
Then go here
List of creation myths - Wikipedia
and show us which of those steal from the bible.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 52 of 146 (632282)
09-06-2011 8:02 PM
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09-06-2011 7:52 PM


Re: really? really? steal from the bible? really?
Please show which of those steal from the bible.
I havn't read them all. Im talking about the most common ones like Islam, mormons, seventh day, jehovah witnesses etc...
Of course all the ones in the article I never even heard of. Have you? Do you ever use them to dispute the Bible? No you don't. The one's I said above are often used as being in the same faith as christianity, which they are not. That's my point.
I can't know every Creation myth, there so many.

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Message 53 of 146 (632283)
09-06-2011 8:04 PM
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09-06-2011 7:26 PM


Re: And God said
No just that the creo's don't understand evolution. Genus A doesn't change to genus B, even in the same family. Even Punctuated equilibrium takes a number of generations, just less that natural selection.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Theodoric
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Message 54 of 146 (632284)
09-06-2011 8:11 PM
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09-06-2011 8:02 PM


Re: really? really? steal from the bible? really?
The one's I said above are often used as being in the same faith as christianity, which they are not. That's my point.
I can't know every Creation myth, there so many.
Then maybe you should not have said.
Chuck77 writes:
most creation stories steal from the bible.
Im talking about the most common ones like Islam, mormons, seventh day, jehovah witnesses etc...
Then your comment is just silly. The biblical creation account is a part of each of these religions, so how could that be seen as stealing? Sure the Islamic version is a little different but they come form the same tradition.
So you did not read the link PD supplied?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 55 of 146 (632289)
09-06-2011 8:40 PM
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09-06-2011 7:40 PM


Re: And God said
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Well, im not interested in every Creation story, just one. And because it's right doesnt mean it's any LESS valid than the rest either.
Truth is not relative, one has to be absolutly right. BTW, most creation stories steal from the bible.
Then what was your point in posting in this thread?
How do you know that the Biblical account of creation is the true story, and not the accounts told by the Shinto and Hindus (Both of which are living faiths) for example?
Citing the Bible is really invalidated by the other sagas (The Bible by itself is no more valid the others). What empirical evidence is there that proves the biblical creation story true and/or the other stories false. Message 1
The point is what makes the Biblical account of creation the true story over others?
Your position is that the Bible describes what we see today, but other creation stories also describe what we see today. So that doesn't really show that the Bible is true over other creation stories.
This thread isn't about whether you care about other creation stories or not, it is about showing why the Bible creation story is considered true (other than belief) and others are considered false.
We already know people believe their respective creation stories are true due to faith and belief. The OP is asking for some evidence other than faith and belief that shows us one creation story is true over the others.
If you feel that other creation stories steal from the Bible, you need to show it, not just say it. The OP isn't talking about the religions that evolved from Judaism. The Shinto and Hindus are two examples given.
P.S. Don't get sucked into the science talk. This is the religious forum.

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Message 56 of 146 (632296)
09-06-2011 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stumpy McPatch
12-04-2006 9:19 AM


Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
How do you know that the Biblical account of creation is the true story, and not the accounts told by the Shinto and Hindus (Both of which are living faiths) for example?
The Biblical record has a great deal of corroborating evidence for it's credibility.

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Message 57 of 146 (632298)
09-06-2011 9:43 PM
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09-06-2011 9:39 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
1. It is the only account which has fulfilled prophecy; a lot of it.
I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?
2. Cultures who have followed the Biblical principles have been the most prosperous, blessed and free. That is supportive evidence that the Jehovah, the god of the Bible is the only true god.
I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?
3. The Biblical account is by and large the only one that has the historical record from creation though out world history to the Christian era/dispensation. The others simply have the isolated distorted versions of the real thing.
I assume you can provide evidence to support that assertion?

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Message 58 of 146 (632300)
09-06-2011 9:50 PM
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09-06-2011 9:43 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Jar, I've cited the evidence many times for these in the threads. You're secularistic bias forbids you to acknowledge it. To repeat it to you is a total waste of time and band-width.

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jar
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Message 59 of 146 (632301)
09-06-2011 10:02 PM
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09-06-2011 9:50 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
So no evidence or even links to where you claim to have provided such evidence.
Okay.
So without any evidence is there some reason to think any of the different Biblical Creation myths over the much older Hindu Creation Myths?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 60 of 146 (632303)
09-06-2011 10:03 PM
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09-06-2011 9:50 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Buzsaw writes:
Jar, I've cited the evidence many times for these in the threads.
It is difficult to accept your claim that you have evidence when you have been banned from the science forum because you do not understand what evidence is.
I do not know a way forward from this.
It is a shame that you couldn't agree a thread proposal with Admin regarding how evidence works.

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