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Author Topic:   Ontological arguments - where's the beef?
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Message 54 of 74 (632396)
09-07-2011 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Buzsaw
09-07-2011 6:38 PM


Re: Other Applications; Ontology.
Buz writes:

The above ontological example models the zero premise to the BB as well as the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed the alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, mores than it models the Biblical record evidence; logic and the existence of a maximal designer deity as depicted in the Biblical record.

HUH?

You mean the maximal designer deity that had to figure out what a suitable helpmeet for Adam would be by trial and error?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 67 of 74 (632489)
09-08-2011 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by PaulK
09-08-2011 8:50 AM


Re: Other Applications; Ontology.
I think that Buz saw the word "theory" used in one of the definitions and so assumed that it might also apply to science.

Here is the definitions in Buz's link in full:

quote:
on·tol·o·gy (n-tl-j)
n.
The branch of metaphysics that deals with the nature of being.
on·tolo·gist n.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
ontology [ɒnˈtɒlədʒɪ]
n
1. (Philosophy) Philosophy the branch of metaphysics that deals with the nature of being
2. (Philosophy / Logic) Logic the set of entities presupposed by a theory
ontological adj
ontologically adv

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
ontology
philosophical inquiry into the nature of being itself, a branch of metaphysics. — ontologist, n. — ontologie, ontological, ontologistic, adj.
See also: Philosophy

-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
ontology, phenomenology - Ontology is the branch of metaphysics concerned with the nature or essence of being or existence, the opposite of phenomenology, the science of phenomena.


The problem might be that Buzsaw simply does not know how to read a dictionary, he might not understand that in each case the definitions are qualified to show that they refer only to philosophy and metaphysics.


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jar
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Message 72 of 74 (632758)
09-09-2011 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
09-09-2011 9:16 PM


Re: Other Applications; Ontology.
Based on that assertion I suggest that folk actually click on the link and determine the truth.

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