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Chuck77
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Message 166 of 286 (632430)
09-08-2011 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Artemis Entreri
09-07-2011 11:24 AM


Same God different Covenants
Artemis Entreri writes:
I prefer the literary bible of myth and legend,
Don't all atheists?
rather than a set of laws on how to live your life.
Don't all atheists?
It's not up to you or anyone to question the way God deals with HIS Creation.
The whole Bible OT and NT represent God. He is the same God in the OT as in the NT. The OT he is as loving as the NT, it's just everyone skips over those parts. It also showed the wrath that God is capable of.
Now, if you read the NT, mainly Revelations you will see that same wrath that is to come in the Great Tribulation. Yeah, the NT is a covenant of Grace as the OT was more Law than Grace.
God is always God. Yesterday, today, forever. The same God of the OT is the same God of the new. Different convenants same God.

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Granny Magda
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Message 167 of 286 (632507)
09-08-2011 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by GDR
09-06-2011 10:06 PM


Re: Do Jews, Muslims and Christians Worship Different Gods?
But you are describing a God that I don't believe in either. I find so often that atheists on this forum keep reverting back to this straw man.
Yeah, well, with all the different gods you Christian fellas worship, is it any wonder we're confused? Kind of proves my point actually...
It isn't a matter of following a set of laws. It is about what we choose.
Then why the heck would God want to communicate by means of a big book chock full of insane laws?! I'm sorry, but that just boggles my mind. You can invoke human misinterpretation all you like, but no-one forced God to communicate in this weird way. If following laws were not important, he would have been better off not sending us mixed messages.
We know when we are acting and thinking selfishly. We know when we do things that benefit ourselves at the expense of others. The more our lives are about these things, the more selfishness just becomes who we are. Of course the converse is also true. The more we act and think unselfishly the more that becomes who we are. In the end those that choose selfishness will choose Hell and want no part of the other alternative.
I agree with most of that, up until the last sentence. Those who choose selfishness choose selfishness. If they are choosing Hell, they should be made aware of that fact, at the very least. Personally though, I find the very idea of Hell so repugnant that I can't accept any excuses for it.
A number of years ago very near to where I live a young boy named Michael Dunahee was abducted. The person who abducted him has never been apprehended and Michael has never been found. There is no justice for either the abductor or for Michael.
I just can't see how eternally torturing the perpetrator gives anyone justice. It just responds to one terrible crime with an even more terrible one.
I do believe in an eternal justice, but not one based on getting your doctrine right and not on one that has you following a certain set of laws that will get you onto the right side of God.
I can respect that. However, in that case, I would expect God to live up to his own standards. I can't see how the scenario you present provides that. God's justice is seriously over the top and I think that the way you have him presenting it is just too opaque to be fair.
No, we allow them to make their own choices as God does with us.
But God gets to very narrowly define what those choices are and does so without clearly explaining their full ramifications. that's what I can't get on board with.
You want the direction that God wants you to take spelled out for clearly.
Yes I do. If he is going to burn me forever should I make the wrong choice, then god-damn yes I do!
Of course it isn’t a direction that involve a set of laws it is a direction for your heart.
I don't feel comfortable being judged upon the contents of my heart by the architect of Hell.
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
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Message 168 of 286 (632511)
09-08-2011 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by iano
09-07-2011 5:01 AM


Re: Do Jews, Muslims and Christians Worship Different Gods?
You don't believe in the existence of God, never mind Heaven or Hell. How can you be pressurized (heavenward by Heaven, hellward by Hell) by something you don't believe in?
I'm sorry, I thought that it was obvious that I was granting the ideas of gods, heavens and hells some validity for the sake of argument. My intent was to talk through what I see as being some of the internal inconsistencies of religion, which one cannot reasonably do by just repeating "There's no such thing" over and over. You're right, I don't find Hell any more or less worrying the Valhalla or Niflheim. But we were talking about your beliefs and GDR's.
I'm not sure I follow.
You said that the Bible was useless to the lost. That sucks. The found don't need guidance. The lost do. much better to make it useful to the lost so that they might become found. To do otherwise is a great moral crime in my opinion. Those who are most lost are most in need of guidance. Those who you describe as "on on the verge of being found" would be better off without such a singularly poor moral guide as the Bible.
- Are we straying miles off topic here?
Yup!
Perhaps you should make your points and we'll leave it at that?
I tell you what. Other than clarifying the two points above, that I perhaps failed to properly explain before, I'll let you have the last word for once. I know how annoying I can be in that department.
Mutate and Survive

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Message 169 of 286 (632561)
09-08-2011 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Granny Magda
09-08-2011 10:47 AM


Re: Do Jews, Muslims and Christians Worship Different Gods?
Granny Magda writes:
Then why the heck would God want to communicate by means of a big book chock full of insane laws?! I'm sorry, but that just boggles my mind. You can invoke human misinterpretation all you like, but no-one forced God to communicate in this weird way. If following laws were not important, he would have been better off not sending us mixed messages.
Look, the Bible is a series of books written by people inspired to write their stories. The NT is primarily the teachings of Jesus, the narrative of his ministry, death and resurrection and the letters of the early church. It isn't something that God has transcribed as a book of rules and regulations but a book that we have so we can better understand God and what He wants of us. You keep wanting some kind of human legal system that keeps you on the right side of the law.
It just doesn't work like that. Sure we have the Bible but we also have an understanding of good and evil, fairness and unfairness, justice and injustice, selfishness and unselfishness etc built into us. You clearly know these things. How much clearer can it be? It isn't about keeping a set of laws to avoid punishment it is about instinctively choosing unselfishness and rejecting selfishness. We can if we want choose a life based on selfishness. It's our choice. I really recommend The Great Divorce - a wiki summary by C S Lewis.
Granny Magda writes:
I agree with most of that, up until the last sentence. Those who choose selfishness choose selfishness. If they are choosing Hell, they should be made aware of that fact, at the very least. Personally though, I find the very idea of Hell so repugnant that I can't accept any excuses for it.
I don't pretend to know whether or not there are choices to be made after physical death but my point is that if someone chooses hell shouldn't God honour that choice? Look at the model of Jesus in the NT. One of His last acts was to wash the disciples feet which was an act normally performed by the lowest of servants. He made statements like the last shall be first and the first last. There are always going to be those whose pride would make an eternity in that environment intolerable. Why would a loving God force them to endure that? Let them to carry on with their pride and lust for power and influence into an existence based on that.
Granny Magda writes:
Yes I do. If he is going to burn me forever should I make the wrong choice
The next life IMHO just becomes an extension of this life. If we choose to live a life based on selfishness in this life it has consequences and I don't mean in a legal sense. I contend that when you look at people who are always grasping for more wealth, power and influence looking for self gratification that there is never contentment in their lives. There is never a point when it is enough. They have created and chosen their own Hell and as I say, God will honour that choice.
Granny Magda writes:
I don't feel comfortable being judged upon the contents of my heart by the architect of Hell.
I don't pretend to have all the answers but I see it this way. Hell is separation from God and we are the architects of our own hell.
I don't see the message and story of Christianity as something inspired by God so that we can individually avoid Hell. It is I believe a true faith that is intended to inspire its followers to a life that is based on humbly loving kindness, mercy and justice and then in turn that passing that message to the world by word but primarily through our actions. IMHO God would probably give His church a failing grade. Just the same the church is responsible for huge amounts of relief etc to the third world as well as things like food banks etc in our communities. (I'm not suggesting that all food banks etc are faith based but a good many are.)
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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 170 of 286 (632635)
09-09-2011 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Granny Magda
09-08-2011 11:01 AM


Re: Do Jews, Muslims and Christians Worship Different Gods?
iano writes:
You don't believe in the existence of God, never mind Heaven or Hell. How can you be pressurized (heavenward by Heaven, hellward by Hell) by something you don't believe in?
Granny M writes:
I'm sorry, I thought that it was obvious that I was granting the ideas of gods, heavens and hells some validity for the sake of argument. My intent was to talk through what I see as being some of the internal inconsistencies of religion, which one cannot reasonably do by just repeating "There's no such thing" over and over. You're right, I don't find Hell any more or less worrying the Valhalla or Niflheim. But we were talking about your beliefs and GDR's.
The device of 'assuming God exists for the sake of argument' places the interrogator in a neutral, observers position. As if he can examine the lay of the land from above but not be subject to it nor be part of it. This to prevent (as you yourself indicate) the uselessness of "I'll tell God what I think of him when I get to see him" followed swiftly by " I don't believe in your God" when informed why fist-waving won't actually be able to occur.
From this observers position you can look at the lay of the land which includes Granny Magda on the ground. Granny-Magda-the-observer, can see that Granny-Magda-on-the-ground won't be threatened by a Hell he doesn't believe in.
Neither GDR-on-the-ground nor myself-on-the-ground are being pushed by the fact of our believing in Hell. Before we were believers we were in the same position as Granny-Magda-on-the-ground is now. As believers, we know we aren't going there - so it carries no threat for us.
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You said that the Bible was useless to the lost. That sucks. The found don't need guidance. The lost do. much better to make it useful to the lost so that they might become found. To do otherwise is a great moral crime in my opinion. Those who are most lost are most in need of guidance. Those who you describe as "on on the verge of being found" would be better off without such a singularly poor moral guide as the Bible.
Firstly, the Bible is very useful to the found. It contains much useful information for their subsequent walk.
That is remains opaque to the (let's call them) distant-lost isn't an issue since a) it's not aimed at the distant-lost b) the distant lost will have absolutely no interest in reading it.
I would see the realm of God's activity in relation to drawing the lost elsewhere than the bible. So long as he is reaching in such a way that all might be found, I don't see the issue.
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I tell you what. Other than clarifying the two points above, that I perhaps failed to properly explain before, I'll let you have the last word for once. I know how annoying I can be in that department.
That remains to be seen
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Message 171 of 286 (632651)
09-09-2011 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Chuck77
09-08-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Same God different Covenants
Bluescat writes:
If all Christians, looked at the Bible in that way, this topic would be moot, since than all Christians, would then, worship the same god.
Well if you use the bible as your primary reference point I am not sure how you could come up with it all being literal and true, while everything else in the world is false. For some it is the religion of willful ignorance.
GDR writes:
Just curious. How do you interpret the OT stories of a God advocating the slaughter of whole communities? What is the message that we should receive from stories like that?
That is the old testament Jewish God of War. That’s is how the semites are. They are some of the most violent people on Earth. I guess the message is fear god?
I'm not sure how much of this thread you've read but in the end iano and I came to the conclusion that essentially we worship different gods.
I have to go back ad look then, because that sounds like a heretical thought, I am not saying it is, but I have to be certain what you mean by different gods.
Chuck77 writes:
Don't all atheists?
I wouldn’t know as I am not an atheist.
Don't all atheists?
It's not up to you or anyone to question the way God deals with HIS Creation.
Questioning is a part of faith. If you were a Christian you would understand questioning, and you would understand faith. Since you are fond of asking me about atheists, I will guess that you are one, also evidenced by your lack of understanding on personal faith. Faith is not blind acceptance, it takes some thinking out. Not everyone gets it or wants to get it, and that is fine to each their own.
The whole Bible OT and NT represent God. He is the same God in the OT as in the NT. The OT he is as loving as the NT, it's just everyone skips over those parts. It also showed the wrath that God is capable of.
If it is that simple to bulk it together as the same Abrahamic deity, then it is the same God as the one described in the Quran. Have you read the Quran? Do you have complete understanding about this one God?
Now, if you read the NT, mainly Revelations you will see that same wrath that is to come in the Great Tribulation. Yeah, the NT is a covenant of Grace as the OT was more Law than Grace.
Oh the future of the great tribulation, lol. Every generation thinks it came during their time, the great reformers of the reformation thought it happened in their time. LOL I highly doubt it is a real event that is going to take place.
God is always God. Yesterday, today, forever. The same God of the OT is the same God of the new. Different convenants same God.
And of the Quran.

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Message 172 of 286 (632677)
09-09-2011 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by iano
09-02-2011 2:14 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
Sorry that my reply took awhile, I am going back to school and was a bit busy earlier in the week.
I engaged you in this discussion to lament about your choice of how to construct your god and what it says about your moral failings and you have remarkably made the issue about my supposed moral failings. Lets examine
I don't think you're arguing because you feel the Midianites were hard done by. I think you're arguing because you would object to God killing you on account of your sin (genocide merely meaning lots of you's are taken out in one place and at one time)
Can I suggest that the root of your objection lies in your not feeling that your sin warrants death at God's own pleasure?
That 2 grammes of selfishness here or a half an pound of lust there - doesn't warrant that level of response from God?
As a way of countering, could you outline precisely how it is you come to feel you deserve to sit at the top table so as to contribute your view on this?
Q: On what basis should you be invited to submit your opinion on the responses God should have to your sin?
Q: Where do you derive the right-to-comment in a way that should be considered by God, precisely?
All of what you are mentioning here revolves around a core assumption that is not accepted by both parties in the debate. The assumption that god is the arbiter of morality. The essence of your questioning is to try to turn the issue onto me in a, well what gives YOU the right? kind of manner.
I believe I have already addressed this to the extent that is needed for this particular debate regarding the variety of gods. At the core there exists a sub-debate about absolute versus subjective morals but I dont want to have that debate. Suffice it to say that nothing gives me the right other than my own free will and opinion. I feel that my opinion is justified and validated by my peers, many of which I may also disagree with about the existence of THEIR particular god, who share my despair that you would rationalize the depravity of your god.
I have made the choices I have because they reflect the character of who I am and what I am willing to accept about morality. I am unwilling to accept that genocide is okay by deferring to authority derived by magic. You apparently are, and I continue to despair.
It would appear to me that many assign these rights (and the value judgements that stem from them) to themselves as if they are automatically assignable. It would appear that folk view this claim strengthened by the fact that many other sinners happen to (not unsurprisingly) agree with each other.
Thats how humans work, by consensus. We create in this world by our collective thought and action. That is what makes us human. That is why here in reality, we pass laws to try to stop the things that you god proscribes. The people who have attempted to emulate the actions of your god are considered nearly universally the worst scourges of humanity that have ever existed. Ill take vast agreement from my peers that genocide is unacceptable over your premised authority any day.
Your response seems to indicate that thinking this way is wrong. That the fact that many people reject this obvious insanity is evidence of their own depravity. I think you have it exactly backwards and that you are FORCED into that position by your particular choice in god. If it was not for upholding this ridiculous justification for gods atrocities, I believe you too would agree that we have the right to seek consensus on the issue of morals.
You lament about the method that we create our value judgments by yet you present as an alternative, the resignation of our responsibility to each other to this unseen authority that not even your fellow religious compatriots agree exists in the form you describe.
You seem very alone, and I recall that your religion also teaches you that you should delight in this ostracization. You are taught that you will be among the few who will know this horrible disturbing truth; that even though most everyone around you disagrees with you, this as evidence that you are in fact right; and thus is the complexity of the web of deceit that you must maintain to hold up this brazen construction of god.
You are not 'your own' as it stands. Your thoughts are distorted by a disease called sin (goes the argument).
At Judgement, God will withdraw the freedom he has granted you to wilfully suppress the truth about your sin. This suppression is deployed by you so that you can apply a rose tinted view to the guilt and conscience that your sinning awakes in you, This in order that you can carry on with the sin-party (so the argument goes).
You won't be able to reason then as you do now because you will have then a crystal clear data-set to apply your reasoning to.
..
You will see that "Yes, I deliberately suppressed the knowledge given me that what I was doing was wrong - in order to minimize the ugliness of that wrong so that I could go on engaging in it" And..
"Yes, I deliberately denied I had done wrong in order to escape that pride-denting demand on me to say 'sorry' to someone I hated having one over on me".
You will see it because God can replay all your thoughts and motivations - replayed as they happened but wiped clear of the excuses and self-justifications.
The sheer weight of revelation (think of the millions of clips to be watched) will be the reason why every knee will bow -even if not all will do it with delight.
Again you turn it back on me. I am not looking for justification for my sin. I believe that I have a higher standard of morals than your god as you are characterizing him. What was asked is how YOU can justify the sin of the god YOU have chosen.
You presented this picture of how god will finally make us see the error of our ways (after its too late of course) as a rationalization to why you cannot prove his authority today. Now an even more elaborate construction is necessary to describe how we are going to reject our earthly derived morality yet maintain our free will as to avoid the logical inconsistency of being rats in gods torture maze.
How do you feel this actually helps your core reasoning, going back to why you brought up the issue of judgment day to begin with? Recall, I asked you to provide basis for your authority and you responded:
iano previously writes:
According to the standard of justice that all will agree with when they see it.
Which is basically claiming that you can defer your responsibility. When subsequently challenged, we have ended up here, where you STILL havent provided a reason for accepting your authority, created more logical inconsistencies that need to be explained, and made the issue about my supposed willful depravity.
Unless you, like me (a sinner like you) take the alternative route offered by God.
If your intent was to witness, can you see how the above might be counter to your purpose?


Lets go back to the original point I was trying to make. The things that people are willing to accept about god say something about themselves. God is simply an expression of their own personality which has been shaped by their culture. Therefore, everyone who claims to have a god has their own god.
How has what you have said since then dispelled this notion? Every time another person has replied to you branching off from our particular sub-thread, it has been to reject your conception of a universal god EVEN WHEN they have another conception of what they believe to be a universal god in its stead.
All you have seemed to have accomplished is to further isolate your god. By effect, you have provided more and more of an indication that what I claimed is closer to the truth than the alternative.
Moreover, you have given me cause to add another justification for my opinion. The extreme measures required to preserve these individual gods in the minds of their creators is in fact further evidence of their uniqueness. While I certainly appreciate GDRs less callous god, he has to go through just as much distortion and special pleading to argue for his existence as you do for your god.
And what is remarkable is that YOU seem to see this when it comes to someone elses construction of god! You see GDRs description of god as false because you notice the inconsistencies. You claim that the differences are small post-hoc, but in any objective description of how the discussion has proceeded must be that you both mutually dismiss each others gods based what you both accurately perceive as the contortions necessary to prop up your belief.
Ill just simply say that I agree with both of you.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Message 173 of 286 (632694)
09-09-2011 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Jazzns
09-09-2011 11:24 AM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
The case for your position is actually laid out in the Bible. In the end of the Genesis fable the god character says: " 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil".
The Bible says you have the knowledge to judge right from wrong and the charge to do so.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 174 of 286 (632697)
09-09-2011 2:34 PM
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09-09-2011 2:15 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
In the end of the Genesis fable the god character says: " 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil".
Right. And as soon as they did, he gave 'em the boot from eden. I don't think the god character particurlarly liked the fact that "they had become one of us" a whole lot. Especially since it was due to this that, according to the legend, we are all born of sin.
and the charge to do so.
I didn't see that part. It goes "they are like us now....now GTFO of eden!"

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 175 of 286 (632698)
09-09-2011 2:36 PM
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Re: Everyone has their own god.
Not exactly.
The God character expels them from the Garden of Eden because the God character fears they will eat from the Tree of Life and become immortal.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 176 of 286 (632700)
09-09-2011 2:39 PM
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09-09-2011 2:36 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
The tree of life as opposed to the tree of knowledge?
How many of these trees were there...?

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Message 177 of 286 (632702)
09-09-2011 2:41 PM
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Re: Everyone has their own god.
Right...because they had already eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 178 of 286 (632707)
09-09-2011 2:48 PM
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Re: Everyone has their own god.
According to the story, one of each.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 179 of 286 (632713)
09-09-2011 3:06 PM
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Re: Everyone has their own god.
So we got knowledge but not immortality?
And we could have had both.....?
Which would have made us "gods".....?

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Message 180 of 286 (632717)
09-09-2011 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Straggler
09-09-2011 3:06 PM


Re: Everyone has their own god.
According to that story, yes, it would have made us Gods.
AbE: but no, according to the story we could not have both.
Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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