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Author | Topic: Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Buzsaw Inactive Member |
How do you know that the Biblical account of creation is the true story, and not the accounts told by the Shinto and Hindus (Both of which are living faiths) for example? The Biblical record has a great deal of corroborating evidence for it's credibility.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar, I've cited the evidence many times for these in the threads. You're secularistic bias forbids you to acknowledge it. To repeat it to you is a total waste of time and band-width.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Panda writes: It is difficult to accept your claim that you have evidence when you have been banned from the science forum because you do not understand what evidence is.I do not know a way forward from this. It is a shame that you couldn't agree a thread proposal with Admin regarding how evidence works. I know full well what evidence is. I go by the Online Dictionary. Admin goes by his own unique EvC version so as not to allow me in science or Biblical Accuracy forums. His version categorically eliminates any evidence relative to the supernatural. Simple as that. The evidence I cited for this thread is real evidence that the Biblical record is THE record. All others have none whatsoever. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Panda writes: And most people in the science forums agree with Admin's definition. LOL, Panda. No wonder. His EvC unique and exclusive definition aids and abets the majority view's ideology while censoring and silencing that of their creationist counterparts.
Panda writes: I still see the massive gap between your idea of evidence and everyone else's.You claim that a chariot wheel is evidence of THE Exodus - but it is only evidence of there being 1 chariot (and there little evidence that it is even a wheel). It is not evidence of an exodus. When you or some secularist researcher falsify scientist Moller's research, get back to us. You need also to falsify all of the corroborating evidence which was cited before your charge is justified. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
PD writes: quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This thread is about the creation stories only, not the credibility of the Bible or which god is the true god.The point of this thread is to show why one creation story should be considered true over another. My point went right over your head, PD, being that the more corroborated evidence for the record at large, the more credibility to parts and parcels of the whole.
The Baha'is claim that Hindu prophecies have been fulfilled. The Hopi claim to have fulfilled prohecy. Hopi Prophecy
Your strawman analogy does not qualify as anything significant. It is more of looking in retrospect than prophecy. Biblical prophecies, supportive to the Biblical record AT LARGE are far more significant, involving specific phenomenal fulfillments centuries out in the future, involving many nations. Case in point would be the phenomenal restoration of the scattered Jews back to restore their ancient nation. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
LOL. all of the Jewish OT scriptures were before the Christian era. What, having any significant corroborative evidences of the supernatural deity depicted in them precedes Abraham?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Wollysaurus writes: Could you provide a bullet list of what you regard as specific and significant corroborative evidence for the existence of the diety of the OT? Doing so might provide a jumping off point to analyze other, arguably older religious source documents and help us to understand your standards of evidence and perhaps apply those standards to other mythos. Hi Wolly. Welcome. To delve into evidence perse would involve a lot of topics. It would lead to debates on some or all. I suggest you click on my username which will take you to my profile. It goes back 8+ years. There are threads with lists etc. about the various corroborative evidences supportive to the reliability of the Biblical record. Likely you'll not find any of these to be the case with pagan and Johnny-come-lately religions. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
wollysaurus writes: Why would this, for example, eliminate Islam as the answer? After all, Isa (Jesus) will come back as promised, just to announce the arrival of the Mahdi. Maybe you are wrong, and you only have half the answer, and Muhammad supplied the rest. Are we to come to the conclusion that Christianity (in whatever form) is correct, or just that the God of the OT is the answer? And even if we were to come to the conclusion that the God of the OT exists, how would this, by default, legitimize Christianity? Plenty of Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Hey Wolly, (I hope you don't mind the nickname) I appreciate the effort you've gone to for a response. I'll post a few comments about your message. There are a number of corroborative evidences which you missed which is to be expected since you're a new member.
The Catholic nations such as during the Inquisitions etc as well as Modern ones like Mexico, Central & South American nations, and some European nations, etc who have deviated from Biblical New Testament principles set forth by Jesus and his apostles by and large have been less prosperous, free and blessed as Protestant nations which have adhered closer to them. The US, being the most Biblically fundamental, by and large is the best example. Israel was blessed when it followed God's laws for them and suffered when they deviated into pagan practices. That alone should tell us something relative to this thread. The pagan nations and cultures of Africa and South America, the Islands etc have been the most uncivilized, blessed, prosperous. Fundamentalist Protestant Christian nations have lent the most help to distressed nations who have suffered disasters, famine, etc, furnishing funds, personnel, clothes, food, airlifts, etc to the less Biblical nations. They get little or no help from any of the other religions such as Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, Roman Catholic, etc. 2. Prophecy. You missed a number of significant ones, such as by Jesus and some of the apostles, particularly the prophet John in Revelation. Some examples are global marks & numbers monetary system (emerging), climate change, increase of homosexuality, children disobedient to parents, apostasy from Christianity, severe persecution of Christians, signs in the heavens, technology increase such as TV (ability for all nations to view local events, global new world order (emerging) etc etc. The OT is rife with prophecies relative to Israel, Jesus's claim as messiah, end time events such as nations assembling in the Mid East, Israel's phenomenal restoration, climate change, The Abrahamic Covenant, nations being blessed who bless Israel and cursed who curse Israel, etc, naming nations which will be hostile to invade restored Israel, etc. 3. Historical. Fulfilled prophecy, rise and fall of empires, etc. There is more verifiable history in the Bible than in any other religious book. Josephus's writings come to mind. 4. Government: Muslim, Roman Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan etc cultures, by and large, have experienced more oppressive treatment from their governments than have Protestant Christian cultures. 5. War: Prisoners of war treated worse than nations listed about, by and large. 6. Archeological. What do you think about the Exodus debate threads. Have you viewed the videos, etc? Many cities, cultures, people and places etc, once questionable as having existed, eventually discovered by archaeologists. The Dead Sea Scrolls being significant, etc. As for Islam, I'm surprised you even mention Islam in comparison with the Bible relative to evidence. Mohammed gleaned much of his doctrine from a very distorted and limited knowledge of the OT. The only significant prophecy in it that I can think of is that it will eventually become the mainline world religion. Guess what? The Biblical prophecies beat him to it, naming prominent Muslim nations who will ally with nations north of Israel (Russia, Turkey, etc) to have enough global clout to do a Desert Storm like invasion of Israel in the end time; Armageddon. Islam has precious little of any of the things listed above relative to the Biblical record. I hope this helps. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dr Adequate writes: Well the Jews definitely did; in fact, most of their religion seems to be a straight steal from Christianity. If you look at the Torah, it's painfully obvious that they've just taken the first five books of the Bible and translated it from the original English into Hebrew. Say what? Torah preceded by NT Christianity, Levitical law and all, when, in fact Jesus and the apostles advocated none of it for the Christian dispensation? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Dr Adequate writes: I was being sarcastic. My point was that it's strange to allege that other religions stole their cosmogony from Christianity when we know that as a matter of historical fact Christians stole it from the Jews. Ok. You got the cart before the horse. Nothing was stolen from anybody, Dr Adequate. When you delve into serious Biblical study, you soon learn that the NT baptism of God's Holy Spirit into the very bodies of believers who have received Jesus as lord and savior, i.e. the born againers, i.e. the true christian church at large, you come to understand that the OT Levitical Law was eliminated and the dispensation of grace via Jesus, becoming he sacrificial lamb, the mediator/priest and the bodies of Holy Spirit indwelt replacing the temple. The law of grace replaced the rigid OT law of punishment etc. It requires some serious study and understanding, just as stuff related to physics etc requires in order to master it. Thankfully, I've studiously been into the mastering it since my childhood, being then convinced of the evidence via prophecy, etc of the existence of Jehovah and the credibility of the Biblical record. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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