Subjective Evidence of Gods

I agree with all that but it still leaves your statement as being incorrect.

OK Fair enough.

This as I say is highly speculative but it helps me to grasp the idea of what eternal life might conceivably look like.From Brian Greene I think it was, I learned that mathematical formulas tell us that time should be symmetrical, or in other ways we should be able to go backward and forward in time. (Two dimensions of time) If in addition there was a third dimension of time perhaps you could go from one point to another without passing through the time in between.This would make time infinite and so a being that exists in 3 time dimensions would have always existed and so there wouldn't be a question of creation.Take that for what it's worth, which is very little, but it helps me wrap my head around anything infinite. I know I'm leaving myself wind open with this. I don't see it that way. I'm talking about a prime mover that is the first cause which would include being a first cause of a being from somewhere else in the universe who planted the seed of life here. Can you be more specific of what other possibilities that you are talking about.

I think that we would objectively all agree that we have an innate sense of right and wrong even if we don’t always agree on the specifics. I also think that we would all objectively believe that human, and for that matter all intelligence is a reality. From these objective facts we then draw subjective conclusions. If our subjective conclusion is that there is no god(s), or in other words no prime mover, then we have to believe that intelligence and morality grew from 100% non-intelligent and non-moral material sources. It is my subjective conclusion is that it is more reasonable to believe that our morality and intelligence is the result of a moral and intelligent prime mover.In addition we have bodies which perceive our existence through our 5 senses. That is an objective fact. In order to subjectively conclude that there is no prime mover we have to believe that our bodies complete with 5 senses just evolved from 100% non-intelligent material origins.We know objectively that a living cell is an incredibly complex piece of work that at some point in the far distant past came into existence. If we subjectively believe that there is no prime mover we have to believe that by random chance, (or whatever terminology you want to use), atoms and molecules came together to create this first form of life and then later these cells, again by random chance, (or whatever terminology you want to use ), came together to form more complex life forms.It is my subjective conclusion that there it is more reasonable to subjectively conclude that there was/is a pre-existing intelligence and morality responsible for all that we perceive.Edited by GDR, : No reason given.Edited by GDR, : No reason given.