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nwr
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Message 31 of 57 (632938)
09-11-2011 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Larni
09-11-2011 5:08 AM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
Lurkers: what say you?

I suppose that I am a semi-lurker these days, in that I am not posting much.

It does not matter to me whether Buz has full privileges reinstated. His posts were never worth reading, unless you were looking for something to laugh at. He still hasn't a clue as to what constitutes evidence, and there seems to be little chance that he will get a clue.


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Aware Wolf
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Message 32 of 57 (633106)
09-12-2011 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Larni
09-11-2011 5:08 AM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
One lurker's opinion:

My time perusing EvC is limited, so I tend to skip over posts from those who I have decided are just not worth my time, which includes Buz.

Edited by Aware Wolf, : grammar


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rueh
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Message 33 of 57 (633110)
09-12-2011 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Larni
09-11-2011 5:08 AM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
I consider myself a semi-profesional lurker here at EVC. I would like to see Buzzsaws posting privileges restored. If for nothing else than he is a better read than the newest batch of creationist advocates. That being said, I don't believe that the quality of evidence will ever improve from Buz. I think that if he did actually have objective evidence it would have been presented already. In my opinion, he will continue to quible on the semantics of subjective and collaberating evidence.

'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

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Message 34 of 57 (633113)
09-12-2011 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Aware Wolf
09-12-2011 1:31 PM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
I do the same thing with ICANT.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.

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Rahvin
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Message 35 of 57 (633117)
09-12-2011 3:10 PM


I'd like to see Buz restored to full access.

My typical view is that the solution to bad/inappropriate/wrong speech is more speech, not censorship.

I know it can be tiring to have thread topics rehashed, and to have topics derailed. But Creationism largely spawns from a difference in what is or is not considered evidence. How many Creationists have successfully posted evidence in support of claims in a science forum?

I'd rather have more debate opponents than fewer. If their definition of evidence is silly, then so be it - part of the point of the EvC debate is revealing ridiculous breaks in logic. One can hardly complain when an individual simply continues to help show a common flaw in reasoning.


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Adminnemooseus
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Message 36 of 57 (633155)
09-12-2011 8:08 PM


I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
I haven't privately communicated with Admin on this, but I'll plug it into this topic. I favor allowing Buz to do "Great Debates".

I (the non-admin mode) do intend to get back to my Buzsaw "Great Debate" (maybe tonight???).

Adminnemooseus

ps - I also do intend to do the big "Whine List" message (probably not tonight).


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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 57 (633171)
09-12-2011 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Adminnemooseus
09-12-2011 8:08 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
Ah, I think that's a good compromise - that would allow people to participate with Buz on the subjects they think he's capable of addressing, without allowing Buz-style nonsense to spill over into other threads.

You can close the board down, now - Moose and I agreed on something.


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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 57 (633172)
09-12-2011 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Adminnemooseus
09-12-2011 8:08 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
Adminnemooseous writes:

I haven't privately communicated with Admin on this, but I'll plug it into this topic. I favor allowing Buz to do "Great Debates".
I (the non-admin mode) do intend to get back to my Buzsaw "Great Debate" (maybe tonight???).

ps - I also do intend to do the big "Whine List" message (probably not tonight).

Hi Adminnemooseous. Thank you. I cannot propose new topics. Does that mean that if someone submits a proposal to debate me that I can engage if I wish?

Since you're game, I'd rather debate further with you on this current matter of dating problems for creationism which you aired than to involve another members.

I have done some research on dating methodologies and some of the problems relative to them which might make for good debate fodder.

I began to respond to one of your comments up-thread from the last message, but business matters came up, preventing me from getting it up.

Looking forward to getting back into it, weighing in between other activities.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 57 (633173)
09-12-2011 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by crashfrog
09-12-2011 9:47 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
Crashfrog writes:

.........Buz-style nonsense to spill over into other threads.

Hey, bud, your kind of nonsense makes sense to the secularistic ideology of the majority constituency here, but some of us peon creationists see your stuff as nonsense, spilling into the threads.

The majority of Americans are theistic, including no small number of scientists.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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crashfrog
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Message 40 of 57 (633174)
09-12-2011 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
09-12-2011 10:13 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
but some of us peon creationists see your stuff as nonsense, spilling into the threads.

It's too bad you've never been able to refute it, then.

The majority of Americans are theistic, including no small number of scientists.

Yes, but, to be fair, the majority of Americans are also total morons. And I doubt you'd recognize the "theism" of most "theistic" scientists as anything but Spinoza-style near-atheism. For the most part they'd make Jar look like the Pope.

Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.


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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 57 (633180)
09-12-2011 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Rahvin
09-12-2011 3:10 PM


Rahvin writes:

I'd like to see Buz restored to full access.

Thanks Rahvin

My typical view is that the solution to bad/ inappropriate/wrong speech is more speech, not censorship.

Mmm, Your implication; bad speech. That's what debates are about; ideologies pitted against one another. What's cool for the goose may be bad for the gander.

Rahvin writes:

I know it can be tiring to have thread topics rehashed, and to have topics derailed.

Check out the off topic warnings (at large) by moderators. My guess is that Buz stuff gets no more than some of the others who never get taken to the woodshed by Admin.

Rahvin writes:

How many Creationists have successfully posted evidence in support of claims in a science forum?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha; LOL, Ravin on any of you people ever acknowledging evidence for anything even remotely related to the supernatural.

Your heads are in the sand. You don't want to see the evidence.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 57 (633181)
09-12-2011 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by crashfrog
09-12-2011 10:16 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
crashfrog writes:

.......the majority of Americans are also total morons

.

Mmm, considering the last Presidential election, I guess I have to agree.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 57 (633182)
09-12-2011 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by rueh
09-12-2011 2:18 PM


Re: What do the lurkers say?
rueh writes:

..........collaberating evidence.

Collaberated evidence doesn't cut it with me.

I prefer corroborating evidences, so as to lend the maximum support to any given hypothesis.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 44 of 57 (633184)
09-12-2011 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Buzsaw
09-12-2011 10:54 PM


Re: I favor letting Buz do "Great Debates"
crashfrog writes:

.......the majority of Americans are also total morons.

Mmm, considering the last Presidential election, I guess I have to agree.

Buz, if you are going to argue in favor of the GWB legacy or the merits of the current crop of Republican candidates, you need to find the appropriate "Coffee House" topic.

Adminnemooseus


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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 57 (633588)
09-14-2011 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Admin
09-11-2011 7:46 AM


Re: Empirical Evidence
Admin writes:

my actual position on scientific evidence is that it be empirical. Real events, natural or otherwise, leave behind evidence apparent to our senses

Your position pretty much matches The Free Online Dictionary definition, with one problematic exception; that theorized evidence is not empirical.

quote:

1.
a. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
b. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine

Fossils Are Dated By Theory

quote:
FOSSILS ARE DATED BY A THEORY—But now comes the catch: How can evolutionist geologists know what dates to apply to those index fossils? The answer to this question is a theory! Here is how they do it:

Darwinists theorize which animals came first—and when they appeared on the scene. And then they date the rocks according to their theory—not according to the wide mixture of fossil creatures in it—but by assigning dates—based on their theory—to certain "index" fossils.

—That is a gigantic, circular-reasoning hoax!

"Fossils provide the only historical, documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more and more complex forms."—*Carl O. Dunbar, Historical Geology, 2nd edition (1960), p. 47.

The conclusions about which fossils came first are based on the assumptions of evolution. Rock strata are studied, a few index fossils are located (when they can be found at all), and each stratum is then given a name. Since the strata are above, below, and in-between one another, with most of the strata missing in any one location,—just how can the theorists possibly "date" each stratum? They do it by applying evolutionary speculation to what they imagine those dates should be.

This type of activity classifies as interesting fiction, but it surely should not be regarded as science. The truth is this: It was the evolutionary theory that was used to date the fossils; it was not the strata and it was not "index fossils."

"Vertebrate paleontologists have relied upon ‘stage of evolution’ as the criterion for determining the chronologic relationships of faunas. Before establishment of physical dates, evolutionary progression was the best method for dating fossiliferous strata."—*J.F. Evernden, *O.E. Savage, *G.H. Curtis, and *G.T. James, "K/A Dates and the Cenozoic Mammalian Chronology of North America," in American Journal of Science, February 1964, p. 166.


(abe: It appears that what you are requiring from me is what you do not apply to yourself and theorized evidence which others cite in the science forums.)

Edited by Buzsaw, : Add comment.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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