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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Theres a reason creationists and intelligent designers arent peer-reviewed. Its called philosophical naturalism. The reason most creationist nonsense is not peer-reviewed is that most creationist nonsense is not submitted for peer-review. This is entirely their decision.
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4681 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
Theres a reason creationists and intelligent designers arent peer-reviewed. Its called philosophical naturalism. Anyone can submit their research for peer review. I googled "how do i submit my scientific research for peer review" And found information on how to submit to a variety of different journals. I had a look at a few and none of them had any restrictions on what you could submit. I also found this question and answer that I thought was good enough to include -
quote:(Source : http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2009121719234...) I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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Larni Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
They actually have planes in Australia that fly and you flew on it? I thought that was a third world, jerk water country, ha ha What a stupid thing to say: Australia has had running water and electricity since the late 1990s.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 234 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
And quite a few excellent scientists. This one is one of my favourites. iview
Prof. Geoff Taylor really is brilliant. Edited by Pressie, : Change "This one is my favouite" to "This one is one of my favourites" after thinking about a few other Aussie scientists.
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DubyaDeeEm Junior Member (Idle past 4832 days) Posts: 13 Joined:
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Trial transcript: Day 11 (October 18), PM Session, Part 1 Q: Under that same definition astrology is a scientific theory under your definition, correct? A Under my definition, a scientific theory is a proposed explanation which focuses or points to physical, observable data and logical inferences. There are many things throughout the history of science which we now think to be incorrect which nonetheless would fit that -- which would fit that definition. Yes, astrology is in fact one, and so is the ether theory of the propagation of light, and many other -- many other theories as well.
Remember, this is Dr. Michael Behe testifying under oath. . . . There you have it, Dr. Behe calls astrology a "scientific" theory. Sorry. This is an unfair appraisal of what Behe said. Astrology was "at one time" a proposed explanation of physical observable data. He didn't say it qualifies now as a "current" scientific theory. He was referring to the things "throughout the history of science." This would include alchemy and the flat-earth beliefs of people in the middle ages, and the beliefs of both common and educated and "scientific" minds back then that mens bodies had air instead of blood circulating. And of course it includes the beliefs of Darwin and his followers (both back then and today) which we "now think to be incorrect" and "nonetheless fit that."
So if your star sign is a virgo and your daily horoscope predicts that you are going win a million bucks later today, ID would classify it as science. No. And this is a bogus extrapolation of what Behe said as well. He never said there was any scientific validity to astrology, nor is there, really, in Darwinism.
They don’t follow the scientific method. Therefore not science. Therefore not peer-reviewed. It is Darwinists that don't follow the scientific method, actually. And it is Darwinism which isn't science. Peer review only has any value when there are people in the group that don't suffer from the same delusion as all the others. And, btw, there are creationist peer-review publications.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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DubyaDeeEm writes: Correct. This is an unfair appraisal of what Behe said.It fails to convey the utter failure of Behe and his supporters to provide any basis for Intelligent Design. DubyaDeeEm writes: Correct. He didn't say it qualifies now as a "current" scientific theory.He instead said that his own definition of a "scientific" theory would include such nonsense as astrology. DubyaDeeEm writes: Correct. He never said there was any scientific validity to astrologyAnd using his definition of 'theory' also means that there is no scientific validity to Intelligent design. DubyaDeeEm writes: ...and here you dig yourself into a big pit of ignorance and paranoia.
It is Darwinists that don't follow the scientific method, actually. And it is Darwinism which isn't science. Peer review only has any value when there are people in the group that don't suffer from the same delusion as all the others. DubyaDeeEm writes: Great. And, btw, there are creationist peer-review publications.Hopefully that will silence all those creationists claiming that they are prevented from getting their "science" peer-reviewed - but I doubt it. Welcome to EvC, WDM Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Astrology was "at one time" a proposed explanation of physical observable data. That doesn't make it science, nor does mean that it was science at one time. "Science" doesn't mean proposed explanations of physical observable data that are believed by people. There's a lot more to science than that. -
Peer review only has any value when there are people in the group that don't suffer from the same delusion as all the others. Well, considering that there are many, many different peer-reviewed journals in the biological and geological sciences, each with its own independent editorial boards, publishing papers by many, many different researchers, from different countries and cultures, from different social classes, and believing different religions (some of whom are Christian, by the way), working in many, many different scientific fields, with their own standard procedures and their own training methods, funded by many, many different agencies, each with their own independent review boards and making their decisions independently, and are hired by many, many different research institutions and private business, each with their own independent hiring committees, I think we can rule out the evolutionists from suffering from a common delusion, don't you? I mean, how could the same delusion be maintained among such a disparate group of independent entities for over a hundred years? -
Peer review only has any value when there are people in the group that don't suffer from the same delusion as all the others. And, btw, there are creationist peer-review publications. Creationist "researchers, by the way, are a fairly small group and all pretty much adherents to rather small sects that take a very literal reading of their sacred scriptures. I think that such a group is more likely to suffer from a common delusion, don't you?You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists. -- Abbie Hoffman
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Percy Member Posts: 22954 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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There seems an inordinate amount of recent attention on Darwin and evolution rather than the Big Bang. Portillo mentioned Darwin in Message 366, and only to make the point that one could be knowledgeable outside one's specialty, but off we went anyway.
I'm going to introduce Percy's Law: Any discussion between creationists and evolutionists, whether about cosmology, geology, physics, chemistry or biology, will eventually come down to Darwin. Then there's Percy's Corollary: Any discussion about creation with creationists will eventually end up discussing evolution. --Percy
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Panda Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Percy writes:
You could be the next Godwin! I'm going to introduce Percy's Law: Any discussion between creationists and evolutionists, whether about cosmology, geology, physics, chemistry or biology, will eventually come down to Darwin.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Percy Member Posts: 22954 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Panda writes: You could be the next Godwin! I'm not familiar with the reference, but let me guess that I've either reinvented the wheel or exhibited delusions of adequacy. Looking this up now... Oh, that's the Hitler thing. Yeah, I knew I was ripping that off. --Percy
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Pressie Member (Idle past 234 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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DubyaDeeEm writes: Not at all. Here is the link again Kitzmiller v. Dover: Day 11, PM: Michael Behe. Sorry. This is an unfair appraisal of what Behe said. Behe made up his own definition of what he thinks a scientific theory is, all to pretend that ID is a scientific theory before the judge. Then he had to admit, under oath, that his made-up definition of a scientific theory would also include astrology as a scientific theory. In other words, ID is pseudo-science. He had to admit it under oath. The fact that he still pretends that ID is science when he speaks to the sheep in church and in religious tracts (which he also calls scientific), does say a lot about what his idea of honesty is.
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