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Omnivorous
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Message 271 of 297 (633863)
09-16-2011 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-16-2011 8:36 PM


Alfred writes:
In what way any one's ability to make allegedly false statements can be limited by their inability to make supposedly actual ones is beyond me.
I think that's his point.

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Message 273 of 297 (633866)
09-16-2011 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-16-2011 1:16 AM


Alfred writes:
Lately I see some awakening of interest in the panspermia ideas exemplified by the Journal of Cosmology and so on yet that is not enough to which this thread is a good demonstration.
Panspermia, while fascinating, certainly isn't a new idea and would merely move the locus of abiogenesis off-planet.
Are you proposing that life has always existed?

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Omnivorous
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Message 274 of 297 (633867)
09-16-2011 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-16-2011 8:58 PM


Actually, no: he means that your ability to make untrue statements is limited only by your ability to make any sense at all.
He may be wrong. Show me.
Nota bene: Take a deep breath, lose the anger and genuinely try to make us understand. Even if we disagree, we're not so bad.

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Message 277 of 297 (633871)
09-16-2011 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-16-2011 9:41 PM


Well, if you call his position nonsense, you can hardly be surprised when he calls your position drivel--and where does that get us?
Perhaps Dr Adequate understands your positions and your reasons for them. I do not: all that is clear to me is that you scorn the BB theory and any notion of abiogenesis--and you're pretty darn angry about it. I understand anger, and I assure you it will do you and the acceptance of your positions nothing but harm.
I think the BB theory and abiogenesis make sense, not because I am professionally competent in either field, but because people who are have offered me explanations in plain language that I find persuasive.
I assume you want to be persuasive as well, or you wouldn't be here. Your angry rush of words is not persuasive.
I don't think I've given you any reason to be angry with me, so why not explain your position on abiogenesis in simple layman's terms that I can understand?
It's worth a try.
You can always be angry again later.

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Omnivorous
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Message 278 of 297 (633872)
09-16-2011 9:58 PM
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09-16-2011 9:49 PM


You're right--I hadn't read your original post. I'll go back and do that, but I probably won't be able to reply until tomorrow.

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Message 289 of 297 (633952)
09-17-2011 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Alfred Maddenstein
09-17-2011 6:33 AM


Request for Evidential Summary
Hi, Alfred. Since my only participation in this thread has been to try to understand your position, a final attempt will be my summation.
If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that life is an intrinsic property of the universe, requiring neither abiogenesis nor supernatural creation. I see no other way for this to be so except to posit an eternally existing universe.
What I don't understand is what evidence you have to support your view.
Perhaps you could use your chance to post a summation before the thread closes to sum up that evidence.

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